Isn't that a bit overly reductionist? Cars - I don't really see a significant change. Cars are like [trains, horse carriages, boats] of the past. They provide seating for people to travel. People wanting to travel is nothing new either. Airplanes aren't so different from this lens either.
But I don't think most people would agree that cars aren't a significant change from railroads or horse-drawn carriages. Likewise, one can become an influencer from their bedroom, quite unlike having to travel to Hollywood (or the country equivalent) to become a movie star.
What's the implicit problem though with people becoming famous from their house in their pajamas vs becoming famous for being in a highly marketed movie?
Can you be certain people worship actors because the actor cultivated a skill? Or rock stars? Maybe influencers are just laying bare the shallow intoxication of fame without a "skill" to mask what a lot of nonsense it is.
After all, you can worship Odsy Osbourne and have a para social relationship with him. But if you really respect music, you can go down to your local bar and actually meet people who play nearly just as well but without the glitz and glow.
Right, just like the essence of a car and a horse-drawn carriage is the same: travel.
While we're at it, carrier pigeons and telegrams are essentially the same as text messaging (communication), and using the same logic leads us to conclude a bow and arrow is not so different from assault rifles (lethal weapons).
Come to think of it, it's pretty strange you can easily acquire a flare but not a grenade or nuclear bomb, they share the same essence after all (explosives)!
Point being that "sharing the same essence" doesn't preclude a "significant change" between the entities. It's a reductionist fallacy.
I think the big difference is that the means of production to potentially be an influencer is in the hands of everyone. It doesn't mean it's likely to happen, of course, just that it appears to be more possible. In the past, you couldn't just get on TV if you wanted to.
We live in a very different world from the one of, say, 50 years ago. In today's world, there is a belief that all it takes to become successful is your mindset (i.e. ideas like "The Secret"), that coupled with everyone having the technology to actually reach people, I think gives the impression that anybody can win the lottery of fame.
I think it’s the time when you are in still in school and you had classmates whose only ideal was to “have money”. Had no idea what to do or how to do it. Influencers kind of embody that.
I think the best way to understand this is that Gen Z life and prospects are more like The Hunger Games
The ones that choose to do this are volunteering for tribute, go make their face known amongst potential sponsors, and go out into the hopeless world streaming it live hoping for the sponsors to send them gifts and be subscribed financially to the outcome
Its not really as vapid and narcissistic as it otherwise seems
It can be enough to make or break rent even with low success
>Celebrities 30 years ago used to be celebrities because they did something.
You are looking at the past through rose colored glasses. I don't think Anna Nicole Smith is any more particularly talented that an influencer today (infact influencers today deal with more competition than celebrities 30 years ago).
There were only a small number of Anna Nicole Smiths and nobody wanted to 'be like her'. In fact, they were hugely derided.
Edit: not only that, she wasn't particularly famous. I suggest anyone disagreeing provide some names of people who were arbitrarily famous, specifically wherein 20% of that generation would have aspired to become. It simply didn't exist. I suggest most people who disagree weren't even alive a the time.
In the perennial game of 'prejudices about generations' I think this one is a material issue.
If i, as a person who dont give a shit about celebrities, know who she was, then she's probably reasonably famous. At least as famous as a modern B-tier influencer.
>There were very few 'Anna Nicole Smiths' before 2000, it wasn't really until Paris Hilton who broke the mould and 'professionalized' the notion.
Just because you didn't know about socialites before MTV poured millions of marketing dollars in Paris doesn't mean they didn't exist. Anna Nicole Smith came into real fame in 1993. You have women like Gigi Hadid and Kate Moss who were very famous socialites who were the aspirations of teen girls everywhere. Typically they were models, but that isn't any different than an influencer today who takes selfies. I know I'm being extremely condescending to both of these women but on the barmoeter for "doing something" there isn't that much different from someone like Kate Moss and Addison Rae or Valkyrae. To claim that no one wanted to be Kate Moss in the 90s given how much of a problem anorexia became is ridiculous.
Honestly, someone equally unaware could say the same thing about gaming. It's like saying "Notch" professionalized the notion of being a game developer. For Gen Z there is likely far more people who played Minecraft than have played Quake, but it would be ridiculous to say that game development didn't exist before Notch or that people didn't aspire to be game developers before Minecraft.
>And nobody wanted to be Anna Nicole Smith
This is a woman who had several modeling deals but I guess the executives at those companies were completely braindead and didn't realize that people didn't care for her.
Arguably, highly successful influencers tend to be very talented in some way. Hacksmith, Zachs King, Mark Rober have skills few can imitate. Mr Beast is a video producer whose creativity easily rivals those with much larger budgets.
Some less obvious talents like connecting with a large number of people over one-way videos propelled PewDiePie's and Markiplier's channels to great heights.
It appears easy to do what they do, but given such intense competition and few such successes, it's likely they provide something pretty rare that people want. (Some channels admittedly have early mover advantages).
It is possible that algorithms and crowdsourced data in Youtube and Tik Tok are more meritocratic than the more traditional ways of selecting talents.
'something', like being a model or an actor, who dated other famous people. It has changed, but let's face it, their celeb fame was always disproportionate to their work
we are in a postmodern world now, everything is meta. We deal with the celeb and scrap the work
Often the thing they did was be attractive enough to be put in a room with Harvey Weinstein or someone like him.
Step 4: ...
Step 5: profit
There's a positive argument to be made that YouTube only cares about eyeballs and wallets, and the characteristics of who's getting YouTube those eyeballs and wallets is of no interest to them.
1) 30 years ago, large swaths of people didn't want to be 'famous for being famous'. Yes, people may have wanted to be athletes or actors, but that's different.
2) Even those things were hugely aspirational. People didn't think that they could really just quite their jobs and play for the NFL. Surely meany dreamed of that, but few know NFL players in real life. Everyone knows someone with a social media account a few followers.
I generally don't think generations are that that different, but I find this data to be repulsive, it's almost sickening. It gives me a very dim view of that generation.
In particular is the complete lack of sense of civic duty or even self betterment that goes along with that. The word 'duty' has completely fallen away from the lexicon, but even here the aspiration towards exceptionalism (even when it can be selfish) is a bit absent.
It's the most egoic, selfish, lacking in virtue aspiration, it's probably the lowest form of existence above doing something actually harmful.
People who are social influences due to something else i.e. sports/entertainment, that's fine, but when an entire generation wants to be 'famous for being famous' it's just toxic.
> 1) 30 years ago, large swaths of people didn't want to be 'famous for being famous'. Yes, people may have wanted to be athletes or actors, but that's different.
They absolutely did.
> It gives me a very dim view of that generation.
It was by happenstance that our generations grew up without the same influencer content being pipelined into our brains not by virtue.
> People who are social influences due to something else i.e. sports/entertainment, that's fine,
Why? Why someone's ability which is apropos of nothing worth turning into a following? Sure I can respect an impressive display of a skill but fame in general seems toxic to me. People see one thing a person can do and they wish to know them, emulate them, hear their opinions. I don't see that as that much better than following someone because you like their marketing.
> Nope. Which list of people 30 years ago were 'famous for being famous' and which cohort of society aspired to be them? Name names.
It was not 'a thing' aside from a few random, quixotic people. Nobody wanted to 'be them' or thought they could be that.
People started doing X because some famous person did X is the story as old as times. You, of all people, should know that, given how many Software Engineers started because they wanted to be Jobs, Gates, Carmack, etc.
> Yes, we live in different circumstances, that's fair.
But my grandparents were born in homes without electricity or plumbing. They did not turn to prostitution or aspire to the 'least' they could be.
What prostitution?
> Because being a great athlete or artists (or scientist etc.) is not 'a propos of nothing'.
Yes, it's a bit glib for people to fanboy athlete's the way we do, and Michael Jordan is a jerk, but he's also a spectacular athlete.
And popular influencers are great marketers, comic artists, entertainers.
You don't remember them because their contributions are inconsequential or you consider them consequential because they leveraged their fame into something that resembles accomplishment.
> But my grandparents were born in homes without electricity or plumbing. They did not turn to prostitution or aspire to the 'least' they could be.
What?
> Because being a great athlete or artists (or scientist etc.) is not 'a propos of nothing'.
Really? Has knowing who Pete Townsend or Kurt Cobain or Andy Warhol or Dolly Parton is enriched your or anyone else's life? Knowing their produce may have. Why is heaping accolades upon them and deriving influence from them warranted?
> You just proved my point, because the list you provided does not go back that far, and, almost none of those people are famous.
> People of generations past did not generally aspire to take the easiest, lowliest path to some kind of arbitrary success.
> Your delving into whataboutery trying to argue that artists, especially those who are also entertainers don't contribute something. You could argue the same about anything.
Vogue magazine made many women nationaly famous who would've otherwise been known only within a certain social set by dubbing them "it girl" or "girl of the year".
I never said entertainers don't contribute. I explicitly said their products may in fact have a positive impact on people. I just don't agree that that warrants fame. IMO, a lot of people knowing about you or your work is different from the concept of fame as discussed here.
There's always a few rich socialites lingering around almost nobody knows who they are - and they were not aspirational figures.
Henry Winkler is an actor, for god's sake, he was the Fonzarelli, one of the most iconic characters on Television, he's still acting on award winning productions to this day.
Raquel Welch (?) is at least working actress. Look at her IMDB [1]. There's nary a single year since 1960 where she wasn't doing some film or made for TV Movie tripe.
Never, ever, in my early life (pre 2000) did I meet someone who either 1) knew much about socialites or 2) aspired to be one.
The fact that someone would even have to ask is a bit problematic.
"Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country." - JFK
Duty to your family, your community, you nation, to humanity, to the Greater Good or God if you prefer.
It's probably a latent communitarian impulse most people have, historically developed in some kind of civic manner by cultural institutions. Civilization, even in the most civic, secular sense, depends upon our willing participation to get along in a positivist manner, i.e. doing more than just the minimum of respecting each other's boundaries, but 'actively' working towards a Greater Good.
Unfortunately, the concept collides with both libertarian ideas of 'freedom', and populist ego appeal which is the ultimate means of selling out to garner attention. Every leader, everyone trying to sell an idea or product, has an incentive to 'sellout' and just appeal to our little egos by telling us that 'it's all someone else's fault', or telling us lies like 'we can invent the reality around us'. It's popular in grievance politics, and both in some strains of social justice populism. 'Your bad situation is someone elses fault', or, 'You are what you say you are' as the Gen Alpha mantra.
The libertarian 'freedom' ideologies generally have to exist, because in civilization we have a tendency to end up in tyranny, so the impulse towards that expression can be positive. But, it comes at the cost of an ideological ego appeal: 'you' should be 'free to do whatever whenever' is a seductive concept inconsistent with the reality there's quite a bit of work to be done towards just making civilization function, it's an impractical appeal to the ego in that sense that has us 'outsource' all of the work to an 'other' when of course that's impossible and irrational.
I highly recommend Tim Wu’s book on the history of “Attention Merchants”. Very interesting to see how the industry to capture and monetize attention developed over the last 150 years or so.
"Perhaps even more shockingly, our study found that Gen Z males (20%) are more likely than females (13%) to believe that being a social media influencer is the only choice of career for them, with almost half of the males surveyed (49%) agree that being a social media influencer is a good career choice."
I don't know that it's any bleaker than being an actor, musician, athlete, or any other type of entertainer. It perhaps involves more skills since they might their own sets, photography, cosmetics, scripts, etc plus I think it's easier to achieve a little success compared to trying to make it into the movies.
You can generate a following and make a little money to supplement your day job. Not a bad idea and it shows an entrepreneurial spirit.
Those are questionable parallels. Music, acting, sports, writing, etc are human practices many millenia old, recognized as such by universities, labor unions, etc.
Influencing on the other hand is primarily about being an intermediary for platform/advertiser relationships. If one were to stretch things a bit, I guess you could say they're performers deriving their income from private companies.
But even then there's probably still a little bit of a difference between a theater actor performing a role in MacBeth and a teen getting a commission off sneakers they advertise on Tiktok.
> Those are questionable parallels. Music, acting, sports, writing, etc are human practices many millenia old, recognized as such by universities, labor unions, etc.
We’re they delivered to us by aliens? Of course not, people thought the same of those at the time of their inception.
Usually if you are intending to even remotely succeed as a musician, athlete, actor, etc these days - you basically have to become an "influencer" by default to succeed today.
I know a few coaches for certain sports for whom Instagram and Tiktok are now far superior ways to acquiring new clients than word of mouth or similar - all their competition has adopted influencer marketing tactics (with themselves marketing themselves), so its evolve or die.
Maybe the current bleak situation of expensive education, unaffordable housing, medical debt, etc. is pushing many in gen z to go for what they see (whether it’s true or not) as their only option?
Did you not note the "only" in that sentence? When 1 in 5 of your males and 1 in 10 of your females believe that being a parasite is the only available career choice, something is very wrong.
This isn't on the influencers. This is on a whole lot of people in the US who have continuously trampled on those less fortunate than them to the point where there is nothing left at the bottom but despair.
Exactly. The reason they’re called “influencers” at all is because their purpose is to influence you, whether with an idea and/or purchase decision. Any part that’s entertainment is just an add on.
The entire trend originated from Instagram where people would show products they “use” as part of sponsored posts.
This level of hollowness is part of the cause of the downfall of streamer Ninja. The originality and audience were neglected for profit.
you joke but its scary how many girls my age think its not a career but a way to make extra $. they don't realize the kind of impact that will have on professional possibilities (let alone marriage prospects) but i guess that's their problem. anyway it's lowkey funny when i hear them whining about "why is my of a dealbreaker for boyfriends, they shouldn't care"
Oh no, it wasn’t a joke. I know a lot of young ladies that went down that path. That and sugar babies. I think it’s unfortunate but they’ve been advertised a lifestyle they can’t afford and this is a reliable way to get it. I also have a few exs that went on to sleep with old rich men - the old fashioned alternative. I would rather these were not alternatives to them or that they would at least not chose it but alas I don’t get to design society.
You just reminded me of an idea of a game/sim : a cross between sims and sim city where you craft/design society. You set rules like in Rimworlds ideologies and see how it evolves.
It’s actually interesting how different it is in my circles! I know quite a few people that have been through the same path (different reasons and circumstances), but now they’re in happy relationships. Personally, that’s never been a moral dealbreaker for me, and it isn’t for most of my friends either.
Life is weird and if “immoral work” is a way out for them, then good for them! It’s not an easy work, much harder on your psyche than the usual engineering work that we do.
i really hate the new youtube designs, cause i cannot tell if i have pressed the like button or not, the visual difference is so tiny that i often unlike stuff i have liked before. So sorry dear influencer, but i promise i am beholden to your influence forever
If I otherwise like what I'm seeing in a video and they ask me to "smash", or worse, "destroy" the like button, that's my cue to leave and not come back.
But then I'm not the target audience, so it's not their loss.
I’m not gonna comment on the central topic, but that map is … not a good visualization in so many ways. Never mind it inverts the scale of intensity it supposedly conveys, the geography regions are not representative of any of the people in those regions.
Edit: it doesn’t even invert the scale! It’s just using a monochrome color range without any regard for scale.
ok y'all need to calm down a little on this (talking to the article as much as comments). this is just the zoomer version of "i wanna be a rockstar!" or substitute football player, fashion designer whatever else. y'all know those jobs where there are always a lot more people who want them than jobs available. so kinda like kids started bands 30 years ago now kids start social media "influencer" pages and try to grow it and most fail. ain't that deep.
Influencers today are like movie/tv stars in the past. They produce content to entertain.
Young people want to become influencers. So they want to become famous? Young people wanting to become famous is nothing new either