None of these seems meaningfully different enough for me to care. I could see myself getting used to any of them. Will be very happy when this goes through.
lol, this is what happens when massive organizations with bloated budgets have nothing to do. Suddenly an extremely small group of sad, disaffected weirdos have been branded terrorists.
I think we need a disgruntled ex postal worker task force too.
Incel ideology is pretty nihilistic and violent. We're not talking "sad, disaffected weirdos" here but people who profess a rabid hate for the female gender, comparable to any other extremist ideology. (And yes, this means that the "not getting any" part of it is pretty much a self-created problem. Who could possibly want to get intimately involved with people who endorse that kind of nuttery?)
Truly varies though on the incel and the ideology changes. From my readings - some of what you said is true but it’d be a mistake to group all incels together. After all - we’re all incels until we’re not.
I think ContraPoints video on this was good at summarizing the themes that are common though - and to be honest - most incels just seem like guys who are down on their luck and hate themselves more than they hate women. Sure - you get some psychos but I think psychos exist in every ideology. I’ve yet to see one that doesn’t have them.
But that's what makes the "self-proclaimed incel" worldview so strange and twisted in the first place. They make "not getting any" into a part of their identity, so normalization of hate towards women isn't that far behind. By and large, guys who are just "down on their luck" would never self-identify with this "incel" thing.
Once you've experienced 25 years of being down bad, it is a part of your identity. For many of these men, being down bad is their entire life. It's also something that other people label other men as. You don't necessarily get to choose the identity - people throw you into that camp without your choice.
The other aspect of it is that it's not purely mental or what not. It's not like they just need to take a shower and put on a clean shirt. It's something far more fundamental that is broken and many are autists/aspies. Some are normal but the overwhelming case is that many have very unpleasant physical features. So, they're just ugly dudes who might not have anything exceptional to note about them. Add in a bit of social anxiety, awkwardness, etc.
The guys like the Santa Barbara killer and what not are just unhinged psychos. I don't think being an "incel" at that point has any relation. Just as many unhinged psychos going on about degradation of their race of choice, immigrants are yadda yadda, etc. These people just needed something - anything - to latch their psychosis onto. If it wasn't for race crimes - they'd think people were secretly Nazis or something and they were killing them for the good of humanity.
I guess my point is - I find that many people in these communities who have degenerate views of women and what not are also people who have degenerate views of other classes of people too. They have a fundamental brain/belief-system/way-they-were-raised issue. The incel community is just an outlet for that degeneracy.
It might also have something to do with that Santa Barbara incident in 2014 that killed 3, and the Toronto van attack in 2018 that killed 11 (and injured 15).
Which is why the secret service started to profile all the Muslims located in the US as potential threats.
The big question that security experts and social researcher ask is if such profiling do anything to actually reduce the number of terrorists attacks, and if it is cost effective compare to just regular investigative police work.
There is also a portion of the population that dislike profiling of religious/political views, and view profiling as a slippery slope towards authoritarianism.
When was the last time a postal worker went "postal?" This type of violent misogyny happens all the time but we only talk a out it when the numbers are interesting. This is not the same thing and to lump the two together is to be dismissive of the problem. Real people are being killed and there's a pattern. Hell, there are forums and a public club with a brand and a manifesto. How many ISIS do there have to be to call them terrorists? Or is it the turbans? Do we change the language because those exhibiting the behavior happen to be white boys?
I'm sad for the people who were killed needlessly by alienated young men, but Tylenol kills more people in a single year than all of those cases combined. The fear mongering around this subject is off the charts.
I think some form of compassionate outreach is probably a better approach to that problem than branding them terrorists.
Lots of things kill more people than lots of other things; that isn’t the sole metric that dictates our domestic policies.
I happen to agree re: positive outreach. But outreach is a prophylactic measure, and the incel “movement” (as it were) contains people who run the spectrum from reachable with traditional support to people who merely lack the means to kill at the current moment. Both need to be addressed.
I agree with your last sentence, but the reason why malicious actors who kill fewer than drug overdoses deserve considerable concern is bc at most one person will die if you take too much tylenol. The number of casualties is linear in the number of actors.
Processes of violence have much higher variance in terms of the number of casualties, and the consequences of networks of actors even moreso, because, tragically, the events are not wholly independent and there can be multiplicative effects if one copies another, if a community that leads people toward committing acts of violence forms, etc.
I agree we should remain vigilant about encroachment upon our civil rights, who is being accused of 'future crimes' ex ante, etc., but to treat each as the same kind of statistical outcome-generating process is not the most useful mental model imo.
When they commit mass murder in the name of their ideology, they become terrorists. That isn't off the charts fear mongering. Any group which did the same, and celebrated the people who did, would be called the same.
Not only that, but it's becoming increasingly taboo to talk about threats originating from minority groups. Whether those groups are religious, ethnic, or "racial" minorities, pointing out issues tied to / originating among them could be political suicide. Such issues have to be approached carefully.
Censorship is not just the sole domain of a government. Private entities are perfectly capable of participating in it. You're conflating two distinct ideas.
For me they are just piling up. I usually don't delete them and have a seemingly endless list on all of my "bookmark folders" that just keeps on growing -- after a few years some url schemas change or sites go down and the bookmarks don't work any longer.
My biggest issue is that they don't interoperate across browsers. The idea that I would use a single browser is crazy. I don't use a single browser on one device on any of the devices I use. If the browsers treated themselves less like silos, people would be more encouraged to use them for this sort of note taking.
> The idea that I would use a single browser is crazy
Honestly, and as someone who uses >1 browser, you are an outlier.
For the vast majority, you click the "beachball" or the "red fox" and that's how you internet.
And among those that use >1 browser, I don't want bookmarks or other stuff interoped/shared. I'm specifically using seperate browsers to keep things seperate.
I don't know how well Firefox Pocket works, but Google seems to have no issue keeping bookmarks between phone and desktops synced just fine.
Should be easy to fix. Firefox already shares such data with other Firefox instances on other devices. And a UI to export the bookmarks is already present, so exporting to other browsers should be easy to automate.
But, I use Firefox everywhere except for one Android table that because of Google stupidity/cupidity/rapaciousness doesn't have room to install Firefox even though it has a nearly empty 128 GB SD card.
I have had a good experience with the browser plugin floccus, which I use to sync bookmarks to a self-hosted NextCloud instance. It has cross browser support. I have a 'sync' folder that is shared across all browsers/devices, as well as local-only bookmarks on each device (home/work/mobile/etc.)
But dude... How else are you gonna turn it on remotely? WOuldn't it be awesome to be able to load it, walk away for several hours then turn it on from a different room?! That feature alone is totally worth all the extra hassle.
