Pretty sure any dishwasher on the market in the past decade uses at least a simple microcontroller, just because it's the cheapest way to achieve all their control and user interactions.

> The dishwasher I buy will never need software.

If you have that option. Not sure if you've shopped for white goods recently, but the options without wifi are relatively few, and mostly lower end models.

We needed a new stove, I wanted one without wifi/internet connectivity. Due to the above and supply chain issues that limited availability of a lot of models, I didn't have a choice and ended up with a model with wifi/internet connectivity. I have, of course, not connected it.

Buy used. A lot of the older models last a long time too, and only (rarely) need periodic wear parts replaced --- of which plenty are available aftermarket for cheap.

Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13909365

Supply chain issues aside, I don't think that's true. This is about Miele, none of which are lower end, and here's the first dishwasher I randomly looked at on their site, and it has no Wifi. https://www.mieleusa.com/e/built-under-dishwasher-g-7106-scu...

You still have to specifically choose a Wifi one. (Though again, I can see if availability issues might throw a wrench into that if you needed one right away.)

I am completely honest here: We had a dishwasher since I was a little child (it's very common here)

The first one we had, we had for over 20 years until it broke down.

If I can only get an IoT-thingy, I'll refuse to buy one and either repair the old one or wash by hand.

I am a green-nut, so I try to minimize my eco-footprint, but enough is enough and I draw a line when my dishwasher needs to phone home.

What software update could it possible need? A better algorithm for dosage?

Sadly, I don't think dishwashers will last 20 years any more. Since 2005, I'm on my third dishwasher. The first one lasted 9 years, the second one around 5 (with one under warranty repair).

At some point the repairs/parts cost more than what the original dishwasher is worth.

Regarding the algorithm, I'm not sure they make a huge difference anyways. FWIW, The Technology Connections channel on YouTube has a couple of pretty interesting videos on how dishwashers work and how to get the most out of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6-eGDpimU

Money isn't of real relevance to me, so if it costs more I don't really care unless it's a ridiculous difference

.... Why would a stove need an internet connection?

.... What does the associated app do?

> The dishwasher I buy will never need software.

Not going to have that option in 5 years. Count yourself lucky if it doesn't require a Google Play account.

I just wash my dishes by hand. It's like 5 minutes between meetings during morning. Same with zipping around the house with a vacuum cleaner.

I'm so glad to see your post, reading this thread I thought I was the only person in the world that does this; and rather enjoy it, 10 minutes of zen-like contemplation while your hands do the work ....

But dude... How else are you gonna turn it on remotely? WOuldn't it be awesome to be able to load it, walk away for several hours then turn it on from a different room?! That feature alone is totally worth all the extra hassle.

I know this is probably a joke but my washing machine and all the dishwasher I know have this feature and don't need wifi.

Is detecting clean water not done in software?

I live in a country with only clean water :X

I meant detecting clean water, as opposed to water still washing dishes/dirt