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What debugging ought to feel like (video) (guba.com)
30 points by nearestneighbor on Dec 9, 2009 | hide | past | favorite | 13 comments


Please note that this is from 2004 and the configuration stuff is way out of date. You should probably just start at 7:30.


In case you'd like to play it offline: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/223699/slime.flv.zip



I had a brief fling with Common Lisp a few years ago and I definitely miss Slime. I wish other language implementations would provide a networked repl and tight emacs integration. Neither of the Schemes I use (plt, gambit) work with Slime and Clojure's Slime integration had some annoying issues when I last checked about 6 months ago.


Scheme people often use Quack. It has excellent support for looking up documentation, as well as the usual stuff like interacting with the Scheme interpreter.

http://www.neilvandyke.org/quack/


People might tell you that it works "great" (I've heard this numerous times), but it turns out they mean it in a very limited sense:

http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/aa9zf/why_i_cho...


Yeah, I always suspected this. I never found any langauge other than Common Lisp to be very good with Slime. CL itself, however, tends to be excellent.

I am writing a similar integration layer for Perl, but decided not to reuse the Swank protocol. The Emacs side is just not quite flexible enough.


yeah, M-. is broken, but at least C-M-x works. And ok, forget about calls-who, but that's pretty broken for me in CL anyway.


No, this:

http://tinyurl.com/ylfqp37

is what debugging ought to feel like.

SLIME is a cheap imitation.


If I have to tunnel my debug traffic over ssh, wouldn't it be easier to just ssh to the machine and run a local debugger?

[Sorry, only skimmed through video, but that wasn't explained in at least the first 10 minutes.]


Slime allows you to code live on one machine while using another completely. Like Mac OS X controls better? fine, use a native Emacs and just tunnel to a remote Lisp session on NetBSD or Win32 :-)


Having the editor working locally might be a more responsive and "native" setup. I think this was intended more as a demo of possibilities though more than anything.


It looks like it could be a video from Xerox PARC in 1968. Well integrated and useful and current and old and clunky - what steampunk would look like if it was software.

(Why didn't he ' '.join(map(char-to-morse, string))? He had to download a string split library?)

(DEFUN COINCIDENCE-THAT-CL-STANDS-FOR-BOTH-COMMON-LISP-AND-CAPS-LOCKP (...))




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