> There are a whole lot of people in this thread who don't seem to understand modern economics.
The thread is mainly about marketing, not about economics, marketing changes the dynamics of why people make choices.
> Economics is the study of why people make choices: why they forgo one opportunity in favor of a different one.
Economics involves much more than that:
- production of goods
- logistics
- consumption
And plenty of people would include
- the services branch of commerce
- utilities
- government
> In Russell's example, it would seem that there was something about the (contrived) piano purchase that made the buyer prefer buying that piano to using the money for some the other possible choices.
Indeed, he valued the absence of the salesman more than his money.
> But in a society that we like to claim is tolerant of all values, who are we to say that any of the buyer's values -- his motivations for making some choice -- are wrong in any objective way?
Such as: Buying drugs ? Spending a lot of money to keep up with the Joneses ? (arms race on a small town level)
Teenagers spending a fortune on ringtones, phone applications ? (and they're buying this stuff on credit)
Some choices are simply objectively wrong. There are even some laws to protect consumers against this kind of thing, for instance in some countries if you buy something on-line you have a right to a refund within a certain period.
> The farmer's got tons of wheat and all his capital is tied up in it; the family's cupboard is bare, and you can't eat dollars. Trading a pound of wheat for a couple of dollars is advantageous to both.
The farmer is not 'pushing' his wares though, he makes them available at a fair price on a market. The family is free to buy their wheat from another farmer based on the objective criteria of quality, price and convenience. He's not going to go out of his way to try to get people to buy his produce at the expense of his neighbour.
Farmers are a particular bad example by the way, most individual farmers (at least those that I'm familiar with, there are probably plenty of counterexamples) are held by the throat by 'buying consortia' that consist of large supermarket chains. They set the price, not the sellers.
Hardly any consumers go and buy their food from the farmers directly, unless you live near a 'farmers market' in a rural area.
This is one reason why plenty of farmers go out of business, only to have their bankrupt farms bought up by fronts operated by those consortia.
Transactions on the free market have a 'middle ground', unfortunately the free market is an illusion, no transaction is completely free.
A 'free market' for instance assumes that parties do not collude.
The thread is mainly about marketing, not about economics, marketing changes the dynamics of why people make choices.
> Economics is the study of why people make choices: why they forgo one opportunity in favor of a different one.
Economics involves much more than that:
- production of goods
- logistics
- consumption
And plenty of people would include
- the services branch of commerce
- utilities
- government
> In Russell's example, it would seem that there was something about the (contrived) piano purchase that made the buyer prefer buying that piano to using the money for some the other possible choices.
Indeed, he valued the absence of the salesman more than his money.
> But in a society that we like to claim is tolerant of all values, who are we to say that any of the buyer's values -- his motivations for making some choice -- are wrong in any objective way?
Such as: Buying drugs ? Spending a lot of money to keep up with the Joneses ? (arms race on a small town level)
Teenagers spending a fortune on ringtones, phone applications ? (and they're buying this stuff on credit)
Some choices are simply objectively wrong. There are even some laws to protect consumers against this kind of thing, for instance in some countries if you buy something on-line you have a right to a refund within a certain period.
> The farmer's got tons of wheat and all his capital is tied up in it; the family's cupboard is bare, and you can't eat dollars. Trading a pound of wheat for a couple of dollars is advantageous to both.
The farmer is not 'pushing' his wares though, he makes them available at a fair price on a market. The family is free to buy their wheat from another farmer based on the objective criteria of quality, price and convenience. He's not going to go out of his way to try to get people to buy his produce at the expense of his neighbour.
Farmers are a particular bad example by the way, most individual farmers (at least those that I'm familiar with, there are probably plenty of counterexamples) are held by the throat by 'buying consortia' that consist of large supermarket chains. They set the price, not the sellers.
Hardly any consumers go and buy their food from the farmers directly, unless you live near a 'farmers market' in a rural area.
This is one reason why plenty of farmers go out of business, only to have their bankrupt farms bought up by fronts operated by those consortia.
Transactions on the free market have a 'middle ground', unfortunately the free market is an illusion, no transaction is completely free.
A 'free market' for instance assumes that parties do not collude.