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It's not a good thing - for production software - for a language to be too much fun to use. It means that developers spend all their time using the language and not enough time solving problems. The suckiness of Java/C# tends to encourage people to solve their problem and move on quickly to the next problem, because it's honestly not much fun trying to extend the language or build abstractions. Haskell & Lisp programmers, however, can spend hours constructing utility libraries, DSLs, and custom monads to solve their problem elegantly, and as a result they have extremely elegant source code that nobody but themselves will ever read, a library of utilities that they will probably not use again, and a solved problem that took 4 hours while the hacky Java solution took an hour.


I disagree with these premises.

I find Ruby, C[0] and Go really fun. The reason I get shit done is because they are so fun! I can't wait to do something else in them!

Also, the elegant utility library code that took four hours to write can—and likely will—be reused, and save you hours upon hours.

Meanwhile, the Java hacker will always have +1 hour of coding, because he never learns.

[0]: I realise calling C fun is weird, but I enjoy writing C code, and it's my guilty pleasure, I guess.


Nonsense. A high-level language developer uses the higher concepts to get more work done, in better ways, and less time. Hacks always strike back, sooner or later.


You get the hacky Lisp version in 15 minutes.


Then I guess that Emacs users never get any work done? ;) (I wouldn't know, but I would be surprised if that was the case)


The average emacs user I know doesn't actually know or write Elisp, they just grab preconfigured .el files off the Internet or corporate intranet and add the appropriate snippets to their .emacs.

Elisp gurus, in my experience, don't get all that much work done, other than writing lots of editor extensions. This is great if their job is writing editor extensions, less great if their job is something else. It's the same as with compiler writers: they're great at making other people more productive, but when it comes to writing end-user software, not so much. In general, of course - there are exceptions.




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