In summary, the way I see it: A lot of hipsters that hunt and jump on the latest tech bandwagon hated that AngularJS team ported their framework to Dart. So they started spewing hate and vitriol at Google and Dart developers. The underlying sentiment I read was -- "you mean I will be stuck unable to tell everyone I work with the latest bleeding edge tech because there is a newer, cooler faster hemorrhaging tech out there, after I spent nights online evangelizing about how awesome this last bandwagon I jumped on is"
It was rather amusing and sad. The amusing part is how the stereotype of immaturity and childishness was just re-enforcing itself. The sad part is that here is Google spending man months (and heck, if you know me, I don't like Google's privacy track record as anyone else here) of work and giving it back to the community and as a thank you they got spit in the face ("how dare you release open source projects, that you spend money developing, in a direction I don't agree with!").
> A lot of hipsters that hunt and jump on the latest tech bandwagon
> people who jumped on the Angular JS platform are quite fond of just that -- jumping on the latest technology .... They will be hipsters who are still drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon while all other cooler hipsters are drinking Tecate already. [1]
Ad hominem much?
Some people object to what can very well be interpreted as (whether true or not) an attempt by a large corporation to fragment a market to their own benefit.
You don't need hipsterism to explain some degree of antipathy towards this move.
It is an analogy used to illustrate a point. I think it is funny, short, and explains the sentiment pretty well.
The point is how I perceive what is happening. No, I didn't collect statistical data on anyone confessing their true feelings.
> You don't need hipsterism to explain some degree of antipathy towards this move.
I disagree, one does need something like that explain the _level_ of vitriol.
Read cletus' comment in that thread. He perhaps explains it better than me and he uses less colorful metaphors (I can see you don't like those much, but that's fine).
I've read cletus' comment and while I respect and understand his world view; in mine this is about as good for the web as Internet Explorer's VBScript and ActiveX integration.
I'm a bit more civil about it than others but dragging accusations of hipsterism into this both ignores Occam's Razor and needlessly denigrates the (perfectly valid) world view that this is not a good development.
> You don't need hipsterism to explain some degree of antipathy towards this move.
See I disagree in the validity of that viewpoint but that is not as much of a problem. I disagree in _how_ that viewpoint was made. I felt Google was attacked unfairly in this case.
"Hipsterism" was an analogy I used to illustrate a point in fewer lines of text, I wouldn't get hung up on it too much rather the attitude and level of hate brought by Angular JS community should be discussed.
>> "The underlying sentiment I read was -- "you mean I will be stuck unable to tell everyone I work with the latest bleeding edge tech because there is a newer, cooler faster hemorrhaging tech out there, after I spent nights online evangelizing about how awesome this last bandwagon I jumped on is""
Let me ask you a simple question: Do you trust the professional opinion of someone who would complain about this? And loudly, at that? Do you think this person is representative of a majority of front-end engineers?
>> "It was rather amusing and sad. The amusing part is how the stereotype of immaturity and childishness was just re-enforcing itself."
Which community of people have established a stereotype of immaturity and childishness that was just reinforced?
>> "The sad part is that here is Google spending man months ... of work and giving it back to the community and as a thank you they got spit in the face ("how dare you release open source projects, that you spend money developing, in a direction I don't agree with!").
"Giving it back to the community and getting spit on"... Google is a for-profit company. They're not doing this for charity. There are many facets to the idea of replacing javascript as the client-side language of the web. Would that we could all act like adults when discussing this on the merits. That doesn't always happen, as we are human beings. I agree that getting angry at the Dart team is irrational and non-productive.
Okay. So what are we talking about here again? I'm still confused. Perhaps the confusion is my fault and not your own. But if you could elaborate a bit, that might help.
> Do you trust the professional opinion of someone who would complain about this? And loudly, at that? Do you think this person is representative of a majority of front-end engineers?
No. Whatever community they are representative of, I don't want to be a part of, and I think their attitude certainly deserves ridicule, which I provided.
> Google is a for-profit company.
So is Oracle, Monsanto and others. Yet somehow Google has managed to release and support a lot more community projects. Google Summer of code. The same Angular JS project that people are supposedly following so closely was also built on Google's dime.
Of course they are for profit and water is wet, is there a point in saying that even. At no point did they say they will close source Angular or enforce trademarks on it. People use, love it, code is available for forking yet they still bring accusations and hate that is above and beyond what as reasonable.
> Perhaps the confusion is my fault and not your own. But if you could elaborate a bit, that might help.
Well, read the set of posts again from the beginning. The initial comment asked, how come this is in the news, this is quite old. And my response is because it probably relates to the previous post about Dart and Angular JS discussion. This was meant to somehow expose a deep seated conspiracy inside Google to prove some of those accusation right. In summary I was explaining why this is popular again when it was supposedly old news. Hopefully this makes it easier to understand.
No, I'm talking about the substance of your comment. It's rambling and conflating seemingly completely unrelated topics. I do not recognize what you have described as any current reality I am a part of:
>> "...lot of hipsters that hunt and jump on the latest tech bandwagon..."
>> "The underlying sentiment I read was -- "you mean I will be stuck unable to tell everyone I work with the latest bleeding edge tech because there is a newer, cooler faster hemorrhaging tech out there, after I spent nights online evangelizing about how awesome this last bandwagon I jumped on is""
>> "The sad part is that here is Google spending man months of work and giving it back to the community and as a thank you they got spit in the face"
Who are we even talking about here? Which community? You seem to be taking a few anecdotes, apparently of HN posts, interpreting them in your own.. strange way and then using that information to paint with the broadest of brushes.
Hipsters? We're talking about software development here and programming language choices. -Your- reality might be some strange war where youth subcultures are duking it out for the future of the web based on childish ego fights and posing or something... That's not my reality.
> Hipsters? We're talking about software development here and programming language choices.
I am making a colorful analogy to illustrate a point. I think it is appropriate vis-a-vis the level of the original discussion. I already pointed out to cletus' comment in the original thread, read that if you want a more logical and clear explanation.
> You seem to be taking a few anecdotes, apparently of HN posts, interpreting them in your own..
You mean I am actually writing my own opinions on how I view a situation as opposed to pasting data tables, code or exact quotes I read some other place.
> I do not recognize what you have described as any current reality I am a part of:
That's fine. But when I don't recognize stuff that is not part of my reality I also don't usually go writing long comments about it. I just skip over. There is stuff about high frequency trading on front page. I don't understand how that works and am not interested, I skip over it. I don't upvote or flag, and certainly don't respond to every comment in there with "Hey everyone, this is not a part of my reality".
