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It’s a horrible thought. Really horrible. You should come to China and work in those factories and mines for some years by yourself.
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You should work in the Central African Republic coltan mines if you think anyone has a leg to stand on.

I am living in China and I think you cannot just talk with imagination.

I manufacture/buy electronics in Shenzhen and have visited my factories. They seemed fine to me.

And are you going to enlighten us? What is life like working in a Chinese mine?

Not good. You may look for news online. If you can’t find anything, you might reflect why this happens.

There is not much information about conditions in the the mining industry in most countries, because the situation is unremarkable and comfortable. I put it to you that you have no idea what mining conditions are like in China and the situation is overall good.

It seems that you believe 'no news is good news' in this situation. But I just say it's not. A tragedy just happened this week. You will never know. And you might know much less about the other side of China unless you aware that one day by reflection. God bless you.

You should try to see how poor US Americans have to life.

Normal people who have to wait for an event were doctors do free health care in a sport gym for a handful of days.


The Chinese healthcare system is not so different from that in the US. It is primarily employer-sponsored insurance, with subsidized insurance programs for poor and rural folk.

Up until 2005, roughly 10% of the population couldn't even access healthcare, at which point the PRC built out more care centers and invested in training more doctors, but there's still a significant shortage, such that scalpers sell outpatient appointment tickets for 10-15x markup over the actual appointment cost.

There's plenty of ways the two countries are different, but healthcare seems like an odd choice to try to "one-up" the US on, even if its programs like medicare, medicaid, social security disability and others still leave gaps.


Thats not true though.

First of, even per capita, the USA is at 8th place while China is 74.

For sure China has a problem due to its gigantic size and amount of people to even be able to reach its people, but the health care costs are nowere as high as USA has. USA is actually the country with the highgest % of GDP spend for health care alone.

Just checkout a YT video from an US American going to a normal chinese hospital and then compare the bill.

And in parallel the USA is dismantling medicare, medicad and co.

This is also directly reflected in the life expetency: US Americans are getting less old than Chinese people.


Rural China has a per capita GDP 1/10th of the US adjusting for purchasing power; if their health care wasn't cheaper only the very richest could afford anything at all. Even the wealthy coastal areas are 1/3 of the US.

China and the US have the same life expectancy of 79 years, which is a very recent phenomenon due to the 2005-2018 changes I mentioned earlier. Obesity, lack of exercise and other cultural factors weigh down the US life expectancy compared to all other Western nations. China's use of abortion during the one child policy era also prevented a lot of people who would have had chronic medical conditions and disabilities from being born.

It is not yet true, however, that Americans are getting "less old", though it may soon depending on how China manages it's own growing obesity problem and tobacco use.


So your main argument is, that the US American health care system is good and has to be so expensive because people can afford to pay more?!

Feel free to us europe than or germany. We pay less and more people are better of than the US Americans.

US Americans pay 2.5 times more than the avg high income nation: https://www.commonwealthfund.org/international-health-policy...

Were is the benefit of paying that much more if you are not getting older than others?


In a thread about China, I replied to a post about how American healthcare is bad.

My main argument, which is in my first comment, is that healthcare is a bad way to show the difference between China and the US, since they are actually have a lot of similarities, especially with access at the lower end of the income spectrum.

There's literally no reason to bring other countries into the conversation other than to say "US is bad", which does nothing to change the reality of healthcare access in China.


I cannot say more details or I will face the risk of being charged as leaking the nation’s secrets. No kidding. I regretted to start this issue.

Why would I, as an American engineer and user of tech hardware from China for quite some time now, need to immerse myself in the Chinese factories as if they are somehow worse than other ones throughout the world?

Thanks, please give my regards to Kash Patel.


You just cannot see your privileges.

It's not that I cannot see them; it's that I don't care. And I certainly don't entertain sanctimonious "le China bad" nonsense like that. You live in a country where every 5 years has been substantially better than the previous 5 for a while now. You don't understand your own "privileges" if you can't understand what it's like to live in a country on a free fall that has foreclosed on the possibility of ever building anything again unless it's the latest investor ponzi scheme.

I don’t object what you said. But I think it’s just naive to think the country which seems to keep on being better is a life saver. Surely I have my privilege, compared to my fellow citizens. But that’s just what makes me more disappointed if someone simply praise this country “oh your country is great. You gonna be the first place” or so. Because I know that does none business to me or most of the people like me on this land.

And I know you don’t care about it. It’s understandable because you have your own concerns to devote to. Never mind. But just don’t put all these stuff in a simple way. Please remember the problems beneath those achievements are much more and make a larger numbers of people suffered than those who are benefited through those achievements.

I guess we might have more similarities than disagreements if those issues are abstracted out the country level.




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