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You might need to consider lateral options. What if someone flew 1,000 drones at the windows on the bridge? How many BBs can hit that fancy radar before it is out of service?

Nothing/neither/cant when millions of dollars and hundreds of lives are on the line? 'Are you sure about that?' Defending against these types of threats is well worth considering.

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It's the radars really for destroyers. The bridge is not actually where the ship is run during combat.

There is a room called the combat information center, that's where the ship is run from during combat, and that is behind armor, even in modern warships.

Additionally ships are separated into semi independent zones, that can take control of the ship, and continue fighting even if the rest of the ship is on fire.

The real liabilities are the radars, and the rest of the sensors in surface combat ships and the airplanes on deck in the case of aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers in general are heavily armored compared to other modern warships and it takes a significant amount of firepower to even disable them much less sink them.


It proved nearly impossible to sink the Bismarck and Yamato battleships in WW2 just by shelling them.

Both were rendered useless hulks long before they went under, though.

Considering how the sunk ships at Pearl Harbor were refloated, refitted, and put back into service suggests otherwise.

That's great if you're in a shallow anchorage (average depth: 45 feet). Less so if you sink in the Arabian sea and you're under fire during the refloating process.

I also suspect modern ships are a little more sensitive to complete immersion.

Case in point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helge_Ingstad_collision

> In May 2019, the Minister of Defense was presented with a report from Defense Material which concluded that a possible repair would cost 12–14 billion and take more than five years. The cost of purchasing a new corresponding vessel was estimated at NOK 11–13 billion, with a completion time of just over five years.

And it didn't even go all the way under.


Your scenario imagines a naive and completely fictional concept of how modern naval systems actually work. That you can’t conceive of why what you are suggesting is effectively impossible means you truly don’t understand the domain.

The reason designed-for-purpose anti-ship missiles/drones are so expensive is they are literally designed to be somewhat effective at executing exactly the scenario you are laying out, while not being naive about the defenses that military ships actually have. Anybody that understands the capability space knows that your scenario wouldn’t survive contact with real defenses.

You are making an argument from fiction. Do you take the “hackers breaking cryptography” trope from Hollywood at face value?


> You are making an argument from fiction.

Much of what we see in Ukraine drone warfare today was squarely in the fiction world a few years ago.

Histroically, this sort of overconfidence is what turns great powers into not so great powers.


Yup. There’s the concept of “mission kill”. It’s very difficult to sink a battleship with 5” guns. Use them to blast off all the range finders, radars, and secondary battery and that ship will be headed home after the battle.

The difference is strategic. A mission kill is a repairable loss. It is an order of magnitude easier to fix a battleship than to build a new one.


Of course, you can use boatloads of cheap drones to kill the radars and CIWS, destroy the planes on deck and other juicy targets.

Then launch a second wave of heavy anti-ship missiles (which you might have too few, due to their costs) to transform mission kills into really sunken ships.

Assuming the opponent will be dumb is .. dumb.


1000 drones of what size?

If they're small - like quadcopter size - then how did you get them in range of a ship more then 10 miles off shore?

If they're large, like back of a pickup sized (which is roughly a Shahed[1] - link for scale) then how did you transport and move them without being noticed and interdicted?

For comparison one of Russia's largest drone attacks on Ukraine, and thus in the world, happened recently and included about 1000 Shaheds over a distributed area.

You're talking about flying a 1000 of something into exactly one target which has CIWS designed to track and kill supersonic missiles at close range (and is likely in a flotilla with data linked fire control).

You might get lucky I guess but I absolutely wouldn't bet on it.

[1] https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/russias-new-jet-pow...


> If they're small - like quadcopter size - then how did you get them in range of a ship more then 10 miles off shore?

Ukraine's up to ~40. https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-war-drones-relay-sys...

They're also using their USVs as drone motherships.

> If they're large, like back of a pickup sized (which is roughly a Shahed - link for scale) then how did you transport and move them without being noticed and interdicted?

The Taliban moved pickup-sized loads around just fine.

> You're talking about flying a 1000 of something into exactly one target which has CIWS designed to track and kill supersonic missiles at close range (and is likely in a flotilla with data linked fire control).

Here's one failing to shoot a single Shahed in Baghdad down.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1rwen7b/cram...

They're weapons of last resort, and they're nowhere near perfect.




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