> never understand what it is about Israel that makes people lose their minds

Availability heuristic [1].

Flat earthers and folks deep in their small-country national politics do the same thing, overestimating the causal weight of the thing they’re obsessing about to any effect.

The useful takeaway is to recognize when you do it in smaller doses. What’s the first explanation you tend to have a hunch for explaining phenomena which are too diverse to be reasonably explained by a single factor.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic

Not minds; lives.

Thank you for proving my point

People are opposed to Israel due to its ongoing mass murder (and rape) campaign.

Normal people are opposed to those violent acts and may even get angry about them.

"People are opposed to Israel due to its ongoing mass murder (and rape) campaign."

But the same people tend to completely ignore or outright support Hamas doing the exact same thing.

Because one is actively sponsored by their own nation while the other is not. Their tax dollars are being spent for those atrocities. Or is that not something people should quibble about?

Again, thanks for proving my point.

This isn't the kafka trap you think it is because any reasonable reader would see the glaring false equivalence. Supporting atrocities is upsetting and something we have agency over. How do you not see this?

I honestly don't understand how this relates to people actively supporting Hamas attacking Israel and killing civilians.

It relates to people ignoring Hamas. We have nothing to do with Hamas. People support the human rights of Palestinians because they support the human rights of all humans.

I didn't address supporting Hamas because it wouldn't have been a generous interpretation of your argument. Where have you seen Hamas support? I have only seen it when Palestinian support is equated to Hamas support to justify atrocities.

Where have you seen Hamas support? See the posts by pphysch later in this thread.

"You're insane for opposing genocide!!" is an unbelievably patronizing, if not outright insane take.

You're literally losing huge swathes of the American Christian Right, as we speak. Those guys don't care about Hamas or Palestine or the occupied West Bank.

You need to wake up! I'm trying to help you.

Did you assume I'm Israeli? I'm not. I'm an agnostic.

the people ranting about Israel committing genocide in Gaza all happily ignore Article 7 of the Hamas charter that quotes a hadith: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." This is explicitly about killing Jews, not just opposing Zionism or dismantling a state. Combined with the charter's call to eliminate Israel and "liberate" all of Palestine through armed struggle, this effectively calls for the violent removal or elimination of Jews from the territory

You don't have to be Israeli or Jewish to be a (widely-despised) Zionist or regurgitate their murderous propaganda.

" or regurgitate their murderous propaganda."

You say this while utterly ignoring the fact that the Hamas Charter's goal is to kill all Jews? Thanks for proving my point.

I honestly have no idea what the word Zionist means anymore since Israel has existed for 77 years and seems likely to continue to exist for at least another 77 years. Can you explain to me what it means?

> the Hamas Charter's goal is to kill all Jews

This is blood libel, murderous propaganda. There is nothing of this sort in the current Hamas charter.

What is it about Israel/Jews that make people say things this stupid and obviously false? Hamas's mass murder of innocent civilians on Oct 7 2023 shows what their real goals are.

Hamas charter that quotes a hadith: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." This is explicitly about killing Jews, not just opposing Zionism or dismantling a state. Combined with the charter's call to eliminate Israel and "liberate" all of Palestine through armed struggle, this effectively calls for the violent removal or elimination of Jews from the territory

And Gaza has been ethnically cleansed of nearly every non-muslim.

I'm a huge proponent of factually investigating what happened on Oct 7, 2023--who killed who--but sadly the Israeli regime is not. They would rather paper it over and leverage it as atrocity propaganda to commit a genocide, then investigate and bring criminals to justice.

A wild contrast between barbarism and civilization.

Hamas only has one charter. Some Westerners like to think of the separate 2017 document as an "updated charter", but Hamas themselves never used such language, and in fact explicitly stated that the 2017 document did not replace the charter.