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Yet nobody in this thread has been able to identify anything vile he's said. Curious, that.


No one is willing to do your job for you. Go to his blog. If you don't see the issue, then that is for you to grapple with.


The alchemy required to transmute the innuendo and aspersions of others' comments into a coherent argument is not, in fact, my job.

If you or others have a criticism to make of dhh, you or others are free to articulate it. If you cannot, that's on you.


Since you've been out of the loop, here are a couple of things from DHH's controversial blog post. https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

> London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits.

with a link to the Wikipedia page on ethnic groups in London showing that there aren't as many white people in London as there used to be. His usage of "native Brits" dog whistle might be silent, but choosing to link to that particular Wikipedia page is a bit telling.

Further into DHH's blog post, he describes Tommy Robinson's organized marches as being "normal everyday Brits." Freedom of association and all that, but White supremacist, xenophobic marches aren't exactly my idea of "normal everyday Brits" activity. He also attempts to equate these marches with legitimate free speech cases like Graham Linehan, trying to make it all seem like reasonable pushback, as if this is just another historical moment of the isles being "invaded".

Naturally, DHH can't help himself, so 701 words into the article we get a lovely link to articles about Pakistani rape gangs. We're not dealing with subtle implications anymore.


I'm not out of the loop at all. You still have not identified anything vile that he said.

What is one thing he said that you would classify as vile?


> London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits.

As someone who isn't white and was born in the outskirts of London, I took particular offense at that passage, but that's might be more of a personal problem for me.


Which of the following elements of what he said is "vile" or "offens[ive]"?

- The author was infatuated with London.

- The time period when he was infatuated with London was the late '90s/early 2000s.

- London is no longer the same city; it's changed a lot.

- One of the major changes is demographic in nature.

- The major demographic shift is in the proportions of native Brits (presumably compared to recent immigrants).


lol well when you put it that way!

DHH could have elided what he was really saying by using different words, not linking to that particular Wikipedia page, not mentioning Tommy's march, not trying to frame that march as just this nice lovely fellow out for a little walk. And so on and so forth.

He didn't though. The "demographic change" as you so nicely put it is that the people's skin colors have changed. A surface level of reading might justify putting "presumably compared to recent immigrants" in parentheses, and if you don't care to read it more deeply that than, I can see why one might walk away concluding that people being offended by DHH's statement are just looking for reasons to be offended.

A deeper reading of the words DHH chose to use in the order he used them, one might instead walk away reading that his objection is truly just skin deep. There's nothing to complain about this "demographic change" other than people's skin color isn't white in that one paragraph. Sure, it's entirely his perogative not to want to live somewhere simply based on people's skin color there, but, well, that's racist.

If you don't see that or think it's not offensive, that's entirely your own perogative. That's why linking to DHH's own words is important in the discussion. Everyone's free to draw their own conclusions based on the words he used and how they want to interpret them.

DHH is entirely free to believe whatever he wants and want to live wherever he wants, for whatever reason. Just that if it boils down to I don't like the skin color of people who live there, you shouldn't be surprised when other people don't want to work with you, even if you did create Ruby.


The only "Brits" native to Great Britain are White Brits.

It has nothing to do with race, everything to do with ethnicity. Russians are racially White, but are not native to London.

There's nothing wrong with promoting or protecting the interests of native or indigenous people over those of immigrants or foreigners.




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