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> There's a reason that "ban the cars" posters never mention a partner or children in their bios.

To the extent that "ban cars" even exists as a real political archetype rather than a meme, this is just patently not true. At least one of the two co-hosts of The War on Cars (again, a title which is intentionally tongue-in-cheek) has a preteen son.

But more importantly: car-dependent suburbs are an absolutely miserable place to grow up as a child if you're not wealthy enough to have one non-working parent and/or a nanny (or both). Being dependent on someone else to enable your entire social life until you turn 16 is a torturous enough experience that I'm not surprised that the first generation to have universal access to social media as teenagers has become the first generation to use social media to organize a teenage-driven movement for public transit.



> To the extent that "ban cars" even exists as a real political archetype rather than a meme, this is just patently not true. At least one of the two co-hosts of The War on Cars (again, a title which is intentionally tongue-in-cheek) has a preteen son.

Similar for the YouTube channel NotJustBikes, who has gone into great detail about the advantages of raising kids in a city planned around pedestrian and cyclist usage, and not in a suburban sprawl.


Find me anti-car advocates with 3 or more children. With both working parents.


> Find me anti-car advocates with 3 or more children.

I easily could, but I have no interest in chasing ever-moving goalposts.


Well, duh. That's because I don't know any. And probably neither do you.

And sure, humans are extremely diverse and adaptable, so you'll be able to find examples of any physically and logistically possible behavior. Eventually.

But statistically? We both know that I'm right. The Netherlands (the bike heaven) has the total fertility rate of around 1.5 And even within the country itself, Amsterdam (North Holland province) is at the second-to-last place from the bottom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Netherland... And the highest fertility rates are in Flevoland and Zeeland that are about 3-4 times less dense.


Then how do you explain that Amsterdam, which is in Noord-Holland, is by far the largest city in Noord-Holland, and is far more dense and car hostile than the rest of Noord-Holland, actually has a higher TFR (1.43) than the rest of Noord-Holland (1.29 total, so lower for Noord-Holland ex-Amsterdam)?


I barely know them. Not because they don't like bikes, but because in my country fewer than 1 in 10 households with children had 3 children or more.

But my friend that has four children brings her kids to the school that's in front of my apartment, that promotes bike riding to school, and they even have a morning bike route that kids alone or with parents can join.

(Yeah, they both work)


This is tiring but "correlation is not causation". Have you considered there's more differences between Amsterdam and the countryside besides cars?


I lived in Amsterdam. And no, the main difference is the ability to use cars.

It is THE difference that makes living great or terrible. Everything else simply pales in comparison, in the developed world.




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