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A mind–reading brain implant that comes with password protection (nature.com)
64 points by gnabgib 87 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 36 comments



Having just gone through it today, I'm imagining getting this from my shiny new neural interface:

"Due to unusual account activity, you must change your password. Please enter 12 characters with at least three upper case and four lowercase letters, punctuation, two UTF-16 and one unprintable ANSI character.

Error: You may not use any password you've ever used (or imagined) previously. Please try again."



New College Courses in "Critical Thinking", but they really mean "think of a number between 1 and 10"


This is awesome - when I first read the headline I totally expected something different.

The user has a password to start or stop the BCI from decoding what they are thinking - this way they have control over what is said out loud or translated. Seems like a no brainer.


It very much is a brainer


So it's still not unsettling to you they came up with something that is actually capable of reading your very private thoughts. You're aware the potentially secondary password protection isn't what made this feasible, aren't you.


So... How fast it will start being used to read thoughts nonconsensually? Military and "law enforcement" always wanted something that isn't torture but gets the information out of people.


Never. It requires several electrodes to be implanted into the patient first. Then there's an adaptation phase in which the patient trains the system. No spy network is going to be able to surreptitiously tap into your thoughts with this. Ever. The signal available outside the skull is way too weak and blurry.


What if you make people do the hard part voluntarily by making the device desirable to them? Including a receptor inside the scull. Then you just have to pick up the pieces.

Ever watched Ghost in the Shell?


> What if you make people do the hard part voluntarily by making the device desirable to them?

This. It's like if you want to collect biometric data about everyone's faces with different expressions, different angles, and how those faces change over time, you just make a mobile app where people voluntarily record themselves.

So, if the problems are:

>> It requires several electrodes to be implanted into the patient first. Then there's an adaptation phase in which the patient trains the system.

Then one possible way I can think of to make people do your work for you, is to release a nice VR videogame to the point it becomes popular, and have some features that make it nicer if you ("enhanced controls", or "your HUD shows exactly what you want just by thinking it like Ironman helmet", or whatever).

Taking an existing and popular videogame and making a mod like this would also work.

There's non-zero desire for full-dive MMORPGs, so marketing it like a step towards that would entice a non-zero amount of gamers.

Once it's normalized on niches like that you'll probably have a better time expanding outside that niche, because by then it would be "that videogame tech thingy that cool and rich streamers use" rather than "the sus mind reading stuff".

It doesn't need to be videogames, but the idea is the same, you make an "inoffensive" thing that people want to use, and then leech off the collected data.


you are wrong. tech is already here. recent advance has been application of deep learning to decode bioelectrical field of your brains. it's an ongoing telecom company side business


Not anywhere fast taking into account that it requires invasive surgery of the microelectrodes


You think that's going to stop the CIA if they plan to kill you after anyway?


thoughts are already being read nonconsensually https://patents.google.com/patent/US3951134A/en perpetrators are even able to communicate back via Frey effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect


I assume that's a rhetorical question.


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Please, be nice. It's 2025 and you can write "Retard" with a capital R nowdays


Why with a capital R?


Carefully re-read the parent comment, I never wrote what you've accused me of.


> When a participant imagined the password ‘Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang’ (the name of an English-language children’s novel) the BCI recognized it with an accuracy of more than 98%.

I wonder how difficult having a conversation about that novel (or film) would be. I imagine you would accidentally start saying your thoughts out loud.


you could set your password something like "hey siri", which essentially is a keyword to wake siri up.

not often but sometimes, siri wakes up on it's own. i guess people were concerned at early times, but nowadays it's just _another bug_ in the software.

I do not see passphrase (i think the passphrase is a better word for this feature) as a big issue at the moment.


I wonder what happens if you tell the user not to think of their password.


I think that is kinda what Tim Robbins does in the opening scenes of Code46 i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaVXASxNrq4#t=7m35s


That is like playing The Game

(if you know what that is, you just lost)


I know what The Game is, but I didn't loose, because I'm not playing.

And before you say "one of the rules of The Game is that you're always playing The Game," I don't have to follow the rules of a game I am not playing.


Okay, I'll be honest, this looks very finicky. I've tried to understand the premise of this article, but it all look like just a bunch of random facts and promises, none of which could be traced or confirmed.

I can't tell 100% that the text was machine-generated. I won't be too amazed to find out that it was.

But there is no technology explaining how this thing works.


Did you see the study linked in the references section? https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(25)00681-6


Is there any way to encrypt your brain's traffic and then handshake a decryption key to the implant to ensure that accidental activations merely result in garbage output?


The drawback to that is, if you lose the key you have to hack your own brain, then loop it through Jones.


I get that reference.


You could invent your own language - then think in that. Go oldschool


Oodgay imetay ootay artstay inkingthay ountermeasures, kay.


The last thing we need is more people running around with no filter between their inner thoughts and their vocal apparatus.


TBH 74% accuracy is quite impressive for a device that "reads thought sentences".


And I'm sure it will improve as the electrode placement and NN is optimized. Accuracy also may improve if the speaker can learn to slow their 'speech' and perhaps add brief gaps between words.

I wonder if trying to enunciate distinctly would help?

Its potential to recognize such a large range of words is also encouraging. That implies the signal is quite rich yet deconvolvable.


Agreed. It's fascinating to think about (no pun intended) where this could go, but also I can't keep myself imagining a world where this tech is ubiquitous and everyone's wearing those casually and it's all "cloud" connected and how it can be weaponized against users by governments and TLAs.




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