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Yeah.. as long as a judge can say that a security belongs to party X and not to the owner of tokens... tokenized securities are useless, they could just be a database record.


Normal stocks exist in a similar way for 99% of people. You don't own them directly you're the 'beneficial owner' and your ownership is just a database entry in your broker's database backed up contractually. It's the legal hack that lets you just press buy or sell and have it happen almost instantly instead of taking days to move around the paper stock certificates from one vault to another. Even if you go through the trouble of direct registration it's still basically a database entry.


I can go to FINRA and the SEC if someone does not deliver or properly custodian my security. Who do I go to when the blockchain doesn't? The value is not in the technical implementation, the value is in the trust and legal framework around ownership and counterparty transactions.

(paper stock certificates are no longer a thing except in rare circumstances, digitization took place long ago ["dematerialization"] at the clearinghouse)


These could be backed by the same SEC and FINRA requirements kind of have to see how the regulation plays out. I'm not super optimistic about it given their current attitudes towards crypto but this does more directly mix with the normal stock market so who knows where the rules will come down on this, they can regulate anyone claiming to offer tokenized securities to hold them purely 1-1 on the stock transfer agent of the companies for example, you don't have to regulate the 'blockchain' as an amorphous concept there will individuals/companies offering these tokens after all.


> I can go to FINRA and the SEC if someone does not deliver or properly custodian my security. Who do I go to when the blockchain doesn't?

You can go to FINRA and the SEC.


Ahh, I was unaware FINRA and the SEC had the ability to reverse and override digital asset transactions on public cryptoasset networks. My apologies.


The article is not about blockchain tokens that are securities themselves, hence "tokenization".


From the article.

> The basic idea behind tokenization: Use blockchain technology that powers cryptocurrencies to create digital tokens as stand-ins for things like bonds, real estate or even fractional ownership of a piece of art and that can be traded like crypto by virtually anyone, anywhere at any time.

> However, the SEC has struck a cautionary tone when it comes to tokens. Shortly after Robinhood’s announcement, SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce, who has been an outspoken crypto supporter, issued a statement saying companies issuing tokenized stock should consider “their disclosure obligations” under federal law.

> “As powerful as blockchain technology is, it does not have magical abilities to transform the nature of the underlying asset,” Peirce said.

https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/speeches-statements/peirce-stat...

> The SEC’s 2025 rules say crypto tokens are likely securities if they act like investment contracts. This means tokens sold with promises of profits, driven by a central team’s efforts, will be categorized as securities. The SEC’s 2025 guidance outlines specific scenarios in which crypto tokens will likely be classified as securities. These typically involve projects that are still centrally controlled, promote profit expectations, or offer limited utility at the time of sale.

https://cointelegraph.com/explained/secs-2025-guidance-what-...

Schrödinger's tokens?


And show them my private keys proving... what exactly? That I own a derivative, possibly backed by a share, and they should please enforce my property rights in something they have no actual control over or even knowledge of?


“They could just be a database record” is the response for pretty much all legal crypto uses.


Saving in bitcoin to escape inflation works fine for me and is perfectly legal.


That sounds like a strategy that's going to work really well until it doesn't.

Perhaps I'm wrong. Good luck!


What do you think could make this "not work"?


As with all assets, you risk its value dropping precipitously due to events outside of your control.

Specifically, I worry that decreasing supply and the corresponding upward pressure on prices will cause transaction fees to increase and therefore volume to decrease. Decreased volume might lower liquidity and allow an event like an old wallet coming online to trigger a price shock and maybe even a broader crisis of confidence in bitcoin's ability to serve as a store of value.


Regulations prohibiting possession or trade, for example.

If you think this is very unlikely to happen, it's worth remembering that this has happened with gold in the past, in the US.


We've already seen what happens when there are legal hurdles, activities move to other countries, or people find legal loopholes. This has already happened a few times, and bitcoin is doing just fine.


Sure, but does that matter if you have to sell to the government, possibly at a rate lower than what you bought it for?


Doesn't matter to me as I'd just leave the country.


Bitcoin not actually being inflation hedge, but an other correlated asset.


So "it doesn't work if it doesn't work". Thanks, but I already knew that.


It's almost like it was never designed at all to solve any of the actual problems with the finance system and just create a new one next to it with a different set of assholes at the top of it.




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