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To be fair I think this is long overdue. The fundamentals do not support the price of many stocks. Recently Tesla had more market cap than Toyota and many other established brands combined. No way in hell that is believable.


This is true but then there are giant corporations earning giant profits trading at a PE < 10.

It's only sexy stocks that people get excited by that go to the moon on a paper kite.

For example:

- Comcast (does the public hate them? yes. does the public send them ~$35B in revenue every damn quarter? also yes): PE 8.7 (https://valustox.com/CMCSA)

- JP Morgan, 5th largest bank in the world, biggest bank in the USA. Is banking risky? Yes. Is JP Morgan going to evaporate? Hell no. PE: 11.7.

- General Motors. Setting the world ablaze? No. Going anywhere in the next 20 years? Probably not. Look at their revenue trend. (https://valustox.com/GM) PE: 7.4.

- United Airlines. Yes, they break guitars. Yes, airlines have been a risky bet. But their PE ratio is 8.1. (https://valustox.com/UAL) When you buy cheap, risk is low.

If you see a company's products everywhere but you never hear about their stock, your bargain-stock spidey senses should kick in. When it's the inverse, I stay far away.


Tesla is way better positioned than Toyota in likely upcoming EV world, so capitalization is result of future expectations.


Yeah yeah. Diagram that out to its conclusion for us. The future where Tesla is producing more cars than Toyota at higher margins. What year will that happen?


> producing more cars than Toyota at higher margins

Interesting that Tesla surpassed Toyota in net income in 2023 already: 15B vs 14B.


2023 was Tesla's peak, since than it is going down. Toyota grows year by year.


One year is not indicative. Point of interest will be around 2030-2035, when multiple countries are having aggressive deadlines for EV adaptation. So, the question is will toyota be able adapt to new reality? So far they couldn't, EV attempts failed and they just are milking decade old tech/infra/supply chains. They will need to rebuild manufacturing and support significantly, while tesla has everything in place already.


Sure but the point is the stock price has little to do with any of that. It’s a meme stock that is regularly pumped with utter bullshit. Just look at what happened today, the King gave it a pump - a full frontal sales pitch TBH - and the stock is up despite all of the actual bad news for the brand.


2% is avg daily stock fluctuation..


So you think Trumps attempt at a pump failed.


Compared to -35% stock loss in last month yes. But Musk may get bunch of juicy government contracts (tesla, ai) from Trump eventually.


Up 10% since then, against the grain of the market. I'd say it was a successful pump. It's good to be the king.


But not like this. In no current or future world is there a basis for THIS:

https://www.voronoiapp.com/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn...


You checking "units sold", revenue wise Tesla is just 2x smaller: $100B vs $200B.


BYD is also better positioned than Toyota for an upcoming EV world, so there has to be something else going on.


I think BYD market capitalization would be (or already) high if not CCP risks.




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