It's worth noting that the Romans never did this. There was a fairly brief period in the 19th century where it was kind of a pop-culture Roman thing (it showed up in plays about Ancient Rome, that sort of thing), and then it was adopted by various nationalist groups, including the Italian fascists, and, ultimately, the Nazis.
Unless you're a theatre fan who's been in a coma for the last 150 years, though, it's a fascist (or Nazi) salute; the use of the 'roman salute' term is (potentially accidental; I think maybe some people do think it was a real thing) sanewashing.
> the use of the 'roman salute' term is (potentially accidental; I think maybe some people do think it was a real thing) sanewashing.
It's used because YouTube and tiktok will demonetized you for saying Nazi.
TikTok, in particular, has pretty aggressive live stream killing policies. It's lead to weird things like streamers saying "grape" for "rape" and "unalive" for "kill".
Huh, I actually didn't know that (as a certified Old Person I use neither on a regular basis). That maybe does explain why people are doing it to some extent. Talk about unintended consequences...
>Later, during the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazi Germans adopted a salute which was very similar, which they attributed to the so-called Roman salute, a gesture that is wrongly thought to have been used in ancient Rome. This resulted in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942.
In other words, when people decided "fuck that, I dont want to look like a Nazi" they did something different.
Which is precisely why what Musk did was a Nazi salute. Because we know not to do them for fear of being mistaken for a Nazi. The deniability is implausible at this stage.
He did it twice. And I’m up to counting four more republicans who have done it since, not just caught in an awkward still with their arm out, just full-on did the thing in front of people on purpose. At least one of them at CPAC the other day.
At least they’ve cut through any doubt about how to treat their entire party in a hurry. Anyone still with them is in-fact a nazi.
Oh, bloody hell, totally forgot about him. Has he emerged from his lair again? Would've assumed he was in disgrace after defrauding all those Trump fans.
Like, he literally did an affinity fraud on Trump supporters. Have they actually forgiven him?!
It's worth noting that the Romans never did this. There was a fairly brief period in the 19th century where it was kind of a pop-culture Roman thing (it showed up in plays about Ancient Rome, that sort of thing), and then it was adopted by various nationalist groups, including the Italian fascists, and, ultimately, the Nazis.
Unless you're a theatre fan who's been in a coma for the last 150 years, though, it's a fascist (or Nazi) salute; the use of the 'roman salute' term is (potentially accidental; I think maybe some people do think it was a real thing) sanewashing.