His claim is that nobody is calling at an "apparent Nazi salute". According to him, the MOST anyone is claiming is that it is an "apparent Roman salute". This is a lie, as multiple mainstream news outlets are in fact using the word "Nazi" as opposed to the word "Roman".
I may have misread the comment chain here, I thought others had already linked to articles referring to it as an apparent Nazi salute. That's my bad if I was mistaken here.
There are many references to it in major media outlets though, including this one [1] in the New York Times raising the fact that it was being referred to in strange ways like "Roman salute."
The headline was "Hitler dead", not "Hitler apparently dead". The headline was "Apartheid ended", not "Apartheid ended, allegedly". If a prime minister gets shot and dies, the headline's "prime minister murdered", not "prime minister possibly murdered" or "prime minister dies, possible connection to being shot beforehand".
The headline should be "Elon Musk does Hitler salute on stage", but it isn't. It should be a really big deal, but somehow, it isn't.
You're confusing what is probable fact and what requires intent.
I don't know what Elon's intentions are and wouldn't begin to guess. There is a huge difference, though, in being able to say factually that someone was murdered or that the legal system of apartheid ended and saying why you believe someone made a certain gesture.
Anyone could raise their arm and accidentally make a motion similar to a Nazi salute, hell I wouldn't be surprised if you could find a few videos of John McCain making a similar gesture due to his shoulder injuries. Making that gesture doesn't make you a Nazi or it a Nazi salute, why you make that gesture is what decides that.
Alright, the guy retweeting eugenics and antisemitic replacement theory content, cozying up to a German neo-nazi party with prominent holocaust denying members threw a gesture twice that is exactly the same in shape and context as the Hitler salute, but we better give him the benefit of the doubt. This is absolutely ridiculous.
Do you see no difference in assuming intent from a physical gesture and factually stating someone is dead or a sociopolitical system has been officially ended?
I think you're replying to the wrong comment. The one you replied to doesn't mention headlines, but points to public knowledge pertaining to the opinions of Musk. If you want more: his family moved to South Africa because they _agreed_ with apartheid, and Musk is part of an administration that is setting up a concentration camp in Cuba, and advocates for the ethnic cleansing of people.
If I knew literally nothing else about Elon Musk other than him being a rich guy backing Trump, and saw him do that arm gesture on stage, I would assume 100% he's a Nazi. But knowing also other things about him, like the fact he enjoys trolling people on Twitter, or the fact he's autistic and sometimes does awkward things, it makes it more likely he intended to do something other than a Nazi salute.
If he was a literal Nazi, don't you think he would have done or said something more incriminating by now? The dude is on twitter shitposting 24/7, surely he would have said something about gassing the jews or whatnot.
> There is a huge difference, though, in being able to say factually that someone was murdered or that the legal system of apartheid ended and saying why you believe someone made a certain gesture.
The poster said "Elon Musk does Hitler salute on stage" should have been the headline, because it's a Hitler salute.
It does not require "intent" to be what it is, or call out those who write headlines pretending there is any doubt about what the gesture is.
> Anyone could raise their arm and accidentally make a motion similar to a Nazi salute
Only a Nazi can do it during the inauguration of a president who says he's above the law and acts the part, and then instead of apologizing for the mistake, post shit like "Bet you did nazi that coming", spamming the "crying with laughter emoji" like he loves to do.
You would need to be severely intellectually challenged to think Musk actually intended to give a Nazi salute. The idea is so preposterous I refuse to believe you actually believe that. Or perhaps I am underestimating how detached from reality political fervor can make people.
Look, I think it’s open to some interpretation here. Not being willing to admit the possibility might get us into a very bad situation. Much like following someone in Amsterdam because they offered to show you how to get somewhere might get you mugged.
Elon Musk's coming was literally prophesied by a certain infamous Nazi rocket scientist. I don't expect rational science-minded materialists to believe in spooky magic but at the very least the psychological impact of that apparent prophesy on the man himself should be considered.
The description linked seems like a real stretch to me for it to be considered a prophecy. The only overlap I see with reality is that both Mars and the name Elon are mentioned together.
The author wrote the store around 40 years in his future. We have yet to send a mission to mars, meaning he was off by at least 40 more years.
"Elon" in the story is the title used by the martian leader, not the martian's name and definitely not the human billionaire seeking to make the mission happen.
If you shift the goal posts from "nazi salute" to the "intent", apropos nothing, that should give you pause. You call other people retarded, essentially, and can't follow this simple conversation? Huh?
