Exactly, how about the much more relevant ethnic cleansing (according to the UN), with upwards of 30.000 women and children killed in Palestine perpetrated by Israel and Supported by the US right in this moment?
Or the myriad of american wars that slaughtered millions in South America, Asia or the Middleeast for that sake.
Both the US and China are empires and abide by brutal empire logic that washes their own history. These "but Tiananmen square" posts are grotesque to me as a europeean when coming from americans. Absolutely grotesque seen in the hyperviolent history of US foreign policy.
Virtually all countries within the European continent have been perpetrators of colonialism and genocide in the past 4 centuries, several in the last 90 years, and a few in the last 20 years. It is a banal observation.
The reason why the string "tiananmen" is so frequently invoked is that it is a convenient litmus test for censorship/alignment/whatever-your-preferred-term by applications that must meet Chinese government regulations. There is no equivalent universal string that will cause applications to immediately error out in applications hosted in the EU or the US. Of course each US-hosted application has its own prohibited phrases or topics, but it is simple and convenient to use a single string for output filtering when testing.
You'd be hard pressed to find any global power at this point that doesn't have some kind of human atrocity or another in it's backstory. Not saying that makes these posts okay, I fucking hate them too. Every time China farts on the global stage it invites pages upon pages of jingoistic Murican chest-beating as we're actively financing a genocide right now.
This is for 2 reasons: 1) these are not just China's "backstory" but very much part of its present modus operandi; and 2) China tightly censors the flow of information domestically (GFW, control of all traditional and social media companies, etc.) in order to prevent any public discussion of these atrocities. As such they hardly enter the social consciousness at all or at most in very limited fashion (some offline discussion between close family, friends).
The US has done a lot of fucked up shit (slavery, genocide of Native Americans, just to mention the two most egregious), but at least we can now call out those evils, there can be discussion, calls for reparations, and an awareness so that it never happens again. Germany and Nazism is another good example.
The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.
I didn't say it wasn't reported, I said outlets did not mention that it is ethnic cleansing. At best they'll cite someone who they qualify as biased as suggesting it could be.
What part of the results of the last election make you think that the majority of the American public would care if Israel dropped poison on the Palestinians and killed them all?
A large minority of the US literally thinks that Israel needs to be protected at all costs to make sure that when the rapture comes, Jesus will need some place to come back to.
How is this relevant to the fact that the US is actively misinforming the public on the actions of the US and it's allies by refusing to properly characterize clear actions? If anything it contributes to explaining your observation, not the reverse.
The point I’m trying to make is that you attribute to ignorance what is actually indifference at best and willful malice at worse. You literally can’t convince people who think that saving Israel will lead to their eternal salvation is not worth any price.
Do you remember in 2020 when the right was criticizing Fox News of being too liberal because they both called the election fairly and for the most part didn’t carry the MAGA line that the election was stolen?
I don't disagree, however for the AP to refuse calling a spade a spade to me makes it clear than when it comes euphemizing genocide, we're not really any better than China.
But that said, while you're right, it is a loop and the media can't be fully deresponsibilized when they become a victim of the narrative they helped shape.
No but you see, in America, the totalitarian despots are in the private sector. That means it's okay.
Seriously though it's remarkable how much good PR America gets because we just renamed "bribes" to "lobbying." It's the fucking same thing: exchanging money for the favor of the politically connected.
Can’t disagree with you about America. But the fact that you can post this without fear and we can protest these injustices is what separates us from China.
The reason I replied to you is because you did disagree, by saying this is the Chinese modus operandi while it's merely our modus operandi.
As far as posting this without fear, I don't mind but I know many do, and stay silent on the subject. We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely.
Again, I don't know why you're deflecting. I said we are doing better. What I disagreed is that we aren't afraid to do so - we aren't, protesting these issues runs the risk to have your life ruined. No point reiterating what I said to avoid answering my point, which is that many people are rightfully afraid to protest these issues, while you said there is no fear to protest them.
Not deflecting at all. Is there significant fear of protesting them though? If there is I’m not aware of it and I consider myself fairly well read. If it exists it certainly is nowhere near at the level of the fear that exists in China which was my point.
Yes, there is, I know many people who are afraid of protesting because they'll likely lose their jobs. The police also likes kettling people in certain protests which can put you in a jail just for protesting.
lol, still don't understand why americans still believe these shit after all things happened in all these years
i mean, all these photos and videos pictured in gaza, but it's debatable whether isreal is commiting genocide in gaza
but tiananmen massacre? it's so real bacause there're only photos of a tankman and some bicycles, ah, of course, therein are "evidence" by color revolution leaders, which, coincidentally, connected with US agencies
Or the myriad of american wars that slaughtered millions in South America, Asia or the Middleeast for that sake.
Both the US and China are empires and abide by brutal empire logic that washes their own history. These "but Tiananmen square" posts are grotesque to me as a europeean when coming from americans. Absolutely grotesque seen in the hyperviolent history of US foreign policy.
Both are of course horrible.