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> But tomorrow, will they just be included by default?

That's already the way things are going due to Microsoft decreeing that Copilot+ is the future of Windows, so AMD and Intel are both putting NPUs which meet the Copilot+ performance standard into every consumer part they make going forwards to secure OEM sales.



It almost makes me want to find some use for them on my Linux box (not that is has an NPU), but I truly can't think of anything. Too small to run a meaningful LLM, and I'd want that in bursts anyway, I hate voice controls (at least with the current tech), and Recall sounds thoroughly useless. Could you do mediocre machine translation on it, perhaps? Local github copilot? An LLM that is purely used to build an abstract index of my notes in the background?

Actually, could they be used to make better AI in games? That'd be neat. A shooter character with some kind of organic tactics, or a Civilisation/Stellaris AI that doesn't suck.


> box

Presumably you have a GPU? If so there is nothing an NPU can do that a discrete GPU can’t (and it would be much slower than a recent GPU).

The real benefits are power efficiency and cost since they are built into the SoC which are not necessarily that useful on a desktop PC.


In short: no. Current-gen NPUs are so slow they can't do anything useful. AMD and Intel have 2nd-gen ones that came out a few weeks ago, and by spec they may able to run local translation and small LLMs (haven't seen benchmarks yet), but for now they are laptop-only.


Microsoft has declared a whole lot of things to be the future of Windows, almost all of them were quietly sidelined in a version or two.

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/


Yeah, but the lead times on silicon mean we're going to be stuck with Microsoft's decision for while regardless of how hard they commit to it. AMD and Intel probably already have two or three future generations of Copilot+ CPUs in the pipeline.




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