has Salmonella killed anybody: yes. has e. coli killed anybody: yes. has listeria killed anybody: yes.

has salmonella from raw milk killed anybody yet: your source says no.

it's just a matter of time before someone does die from salmonella from raw milk. Thanks to science that's a completely avoidable death, but to each their own. You're not forcing me to drink raw milk, and i'm not forcing you to drink processed milk.

and yes, wash your veggies.

> You can get all the above from lettuce and deli meat.

That's a whataboutism, and a pivot. Just because you can get them from lettuce or deli meat doesn't mean you shouldn't consider it with raw milk.

I'm just asking if you're comfortable about a lot of other risks, some worse, why is this one specifically worse? Because you hate dirty hippies?

I don't think most people who drink raw milk are dirty or hippies and I don't hate people who are dirty or hippies and I never said anything that even remotely implies that. I have no idea where the fuck that came from.

Communicable fatal diseases are objectively scary. Tuberculosis is a communicable potentially fatal disease. You probably won't spread your e.coli. that you got from your undercooked hamburger by coughing on them, but you can spread your tuberculosis that way. These risks should thus be taken a lot more seriously and the statistics become more difficult.

I frankly do not give a shit if all you ever drink is raw milk in regards to disease that get you sick, use it to replace water, bathe in it for all I care, far be it for me to tell you how to live your life, but infectious airborne diseases are a different story to me.

I know all of this comes down to calculated risk, you can't get anything involving food down to zero risk and I never asserted as such, so fundamentally everything in regards to food comes down to "which risks do we want society to put up with?".

The reason I keep fixating on the tuberculosis point is that is a particularly nasty disease and I don't know the actual number of cases we should be willing to tolerate as a society, and AFAIK there's no TB vaccine.