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of course. it's not like there's anything they could possibly save it for


Sarcasm? If not:

The future belongs to those who believe there will be one, and who act constructively. Or, negatively, those who believe there won't be a future often act in ways that sabotage any possibility that there could be one.


>The future belongs to those who believe there will be one, and who act constructively.

This sounds very nice, poetic even.

Too bad you can't believe your way into a house when working at a near minimum wage job with tens of thousands of dollars of student debt and being one health crisis away from living on the streets. How does one work constructively out of that? Take on more debt to get more education? Apply for the 700th job this year, and hope it's the one? Move away from your support structure to somewhere "affordable" (where?) and hope you land a job there?

Statements like yours tend to ruffle my feathers. I can't help but picture someone who already has a comfortable life looking at the people who don't, saying "I'm fine, you should be too. Just believe in yourself and work". That is not how you intended it, I'm sure. But that's how it reads to many of the people who are struggling.


If you're making like $15/hr with $30,000 of subsidized student loans, under SAVE you're paying $0/mo in student loan payments and will eventually have the total amount forgiven. Also, under SAVE, the unpaid interest won't increase your principal.

If you make $30/hr, your subsidized rate under SAVE for the same loan is $48.


Belief preceeds action. If someone believes there is no future for them they won't take action to build a better future for themselves. I don't quite understand how you think encouraging laziness and attacking employment is going to improve things. Promoting despair in others won't help you with yours.


>I don't quite understand how you think encouraging laziness and attacking employment is going to improve things.

How you managed to read this out of what I wrote is astonishing.


Yes, I read yours the same way. You didn't say this specifically, of course, but this is not an astonishing response to what you wrote at all.


Huh.

Can you help me by pointing out which part of my comment encourages laziness? And which part "attacks employment"?

I was trying to illustrate the struggle that many young people face. That they are trying. They are doing what they were told (go to school, work hard, etc). Yet the dream (comfortably living) just keeps getting farther away.

"Belief" wont pay the mortgage. That doesn't mean I'm suggesting that young people be lazy and not work. I'm suggesting that saying "believe" is shitty advice (often given by people who have 'made it' to the comfortable life).


> How does one work constructively out of that?

That's the part where people think you're encourages laziness.

Look, my initial point wasn't "just close your eyes and believe real hard". Perhaps you were taking it that way?

My point was, people act (in general) consistently with what they believe. If you believe that you can make a future, you generally act to make a future. If you believe you can't, you may make halfhearted attempts because people tell you to, but you generally don't work the same as the person who thinks it's possible to actually make something happen.

The belief isn't what drives the outcome - the action is. But the action flows out of the belief.

[Edit to reply, since I'm rate-limited: Fair reply. Yes, you did say that in your initial comment; I had forgotten. Thanks for the charitable reading.]


>That's the part where people think you're encourages laziness.

Thanks. I didn't realize it would be read like that, so it helps to have it pointed out. I certainly didn't intend that to be read as "be lazy".

>Look, my initial point wasn't "just close your eyes and believe real hard". Perhaps you were taking it that way?

I know that you didn't intend it that way. I could have maybe said it more clearly, but I'll repeat the end of my comment:

>That is not how you intended it, I'm sure. But that's how it reads to many of the people who are struggling.

Your comment reads that way, just as mine apparently read as "be lazy".


You're never going to pay the mortgage if you believe you can't. Belief won't end up actually making the payments, but doomerism will only end up holding you back.


I don't see how he's encouraging laziness. It's not impossible to both acknowledge economic challenges & believe in a better future.


> The future belongs to those who believe there will be one, and who act constructively.

Bootstraps?




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