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But how can you explain OpenAI works in EU but latest google AI is not yet here.

What is OpenAI GPT4 and Google bard/Gemini EU version not doing so they work in EU but the latest Google AI is doing so google is incapable of putting it in EU ?

Maybe latest one is more invasive with ypur personal account? Scanning your personal data without consent ?

Because seems to be a super simple business, user sends you a prompt, you run the prompt and send the result back, you keep nothing unless necessary for the service to work and give the user the ability to purge their history/data .



Open AI is all about LLMs, that's their entire product and core competency, so withholding access in such a big market isn't worth it to them. Sure, there's a risk, but there are far bigger risks facing Open AI now than GDPR noncompliance.

Google is in a completely different situation. Gemini is, so far, a niche product, making little to no money for Google. However, due to how the GDPR works, a mistake with Gemini could cost the entire company dearly, impacting the profits they make from any other products.

This is a more general principle. If you're a small startup that manufactures foos, and there's a risk that manufacturing Foos infringes on Apple's patents, well, that's just one of the risks you have to bear as a startup. If you get wiped out by a lawsuit, you're established as a limited-liability corporation for a reason, if the fine is larger than the worth of your company, you can just declare bankruptcy and go away. You can't decide to stop manufacturing Foos, as that's your entire business.

If you're the size of Google, getting into the Foo-manufacturing business is not worth it. If Apple sues you, that won't just impact the Foo-manufacturing side of your business, the fine can be significantly larger than any profits you ever hoped to make from the venture, not to mention the brand damage, strain on resources etc. If Foo manufacturing is ultimately going to be a side business for you, it's probably not worth it to be the hill you die on.

This is why it makes sense for startups to "move fast and break things™", and for big corporations to require countless legal reviews on the smallest of decisions.


Google AIs are already in EU, so should I conclude that the new AI is much more invasive? Or for some reason the google lawyer team has big backlog ?


Probably the latter.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a long and arduous procedure to clear a new product for GDPR compliance, and the PM had a choice between launching now and excluding the EU or launching later for everybody. This is also what originally happened with Bard.


this would suggest that the new AI is different. I still get Bard/Gemini new feature updates in EU but not the new model yet. So the lawyers have time for this new features but not for the new model, so the new modl must bring bigger privacy concerns.


I can't explain it. It feels like a pre-emptive fuck you from a few different companies towards the EU.

I'm glad that Microsoft / OpenAI is confident enough to put out a global consumer facing gen AI offering. Maybe they received EU assurances, or maybe they have enough legal muscle to tank any possible hit, and eating Google's lunch is a prize worth the risk.




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