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Can someone make a car which has none of the complicated stuff?

List of features I want:

- automatic transmission (if ICE)

- bluetooth and FM radio

- no self steering

- cruise control with "follow speed"

- not-batshit-insane self-brake-system (use whatever Volvo uses, it works!)

- good airbags and decent structural integrity

- classic sedan height



No, you can't get a car with exactly the feature set you specifically want and nothing more. This is because other people want a different feature set. It's even true of things that are vastly less expensive to produce than a car.


This is true in general (for all feature sets anyone might want, there must exist a car with those features) but doesn't have to be true in particular (for a given feature set, there may exist a car with those features).

I suspect you have no idea if OP's feature set is available on the market. I certainly do not.


I would certainly be willing to bet there's nothing with speed-matching cruise control but none of the other features that depend on related sensors and software. Let alone one that also has the rest of the features and no more.


You're looking for literally any Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda, Chevy or Mazda sedan. Hope this helps.


Automatic Emergency Braking and adaptive cruise are difficult features to avoid. The IIHS dings vehicle safety ratings if they do not have AEB. Because of that, even entry level vehicles like the Elantra have AEB.

Almost every manufacture has committed AEB on their entire lineup.


They said they want adaptive cruise control but not lane keeping. Most automaker allow you to disable the lane keeping if you want while keeping cruise (my Ford does this)


He asked for "no batshit insane" breaking system. Sane systems that engage only when it is truly last moment rather then overeagerly or randomly exists. My seat basically never breaks despite having the feature - because itnis setup for actual emergency.

Plus, you can turn it off.

You can always turn off lane control too.


Are you sure AEB is what they consider batshit insane? They didn't say they wanted no self-braking, just for it to be at most moderately insane, no?


Oh look, it's the Dacia Sandero!


They won’t. The car maker has the Budget product and the Premium product. The car maker wants to justify a high price for the Premium product, so they put in all conceivable features, useful or not. What you want is a Decent product. If they add it to the product line, it would cannibalize sales for the premium product, so they gain nothing. For the same reason my wife’s Premium electric toothbrush has a color screen, shitty IOT bluetooth features and a terrible battery life.


All these features are available in a base model $20k Hyundai Elantra though.


> cruise control with "follow speed"

If I'm reading you right, you want your car to follow the speed of the car in front of you? Usually delivered by radar assisted cruise control?

That's complicated stuff, and you'll probably get lane keeping assistance too, because it's a package. At least on my car with lane keeping, there's a big button in the center console to disable it.


The last car I rented handled this package terribly. There was a way to disable the lane assistance, but it was a couple of steps and you had to perform them every time you started the car because it wouldn't remember your preference.


Adaptive cruise control is fairly standard these days, even cheaper cars have it.

You can easily turn lane keeping assistance off in my car. I guess it is necessary, because lane assistance massively sux when there is reconstruction. They are not really the same hardware wise, one of them requires radar in front and other camera thingy for lanes.


The lane keep assist in my 2017 Leaf is awful. If I used it, anyone would take me for a drunk driver as it drifts to the edge of the lane and then corrects endlessly.

Thankfully it can be turned off, and it stays off.


This is not particularly advanced. Mercedes offers “Distronic” since 1999 and it seems Mitsubishi developed something similar even around 1992. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_cruise_control]


Oh is that what "Distronic" does? I literally work there on a backend system that has that term for one of the features, and I've just never known. I always thought it sounded like something AV related (it sounded "disc" adjacent).


It is "disc" related, the discs in question are the brake discs.


Or, the system automatically keeps your car a specified distance from the vehicle in front of you.


Most cars have that feature list, as for the things you dont want, you can just toggle them off or not use them.

Though sedans are a dying breed, so I'd get one sooner rather than later. Everyone and their brother wants SUVs/CUVs and sedan offerings are getting slimer by the month.


Disabling a feature doesn't protect you from firmware bugs or higher repair costs from the more complicated hardware you have but are not using.


If you're not using the feature, then a bug in it would be hard to manifest.

And as for the more complicated hardware, I am afraid that ship has sailed.

Cars have become incredibly complex in the last couple of decades. They are covered in sensors and filled with computers to handle everything, from the injection of fuel and shifting to acceleration and braking to infotainment and climate control.

If you want Cruise Control with distance following that means you get brake-by-wire and accelerator-by-wire with a computer making decisions about when to do both.

You cannot eat your cake and have it too.

If you want a simpler car, then look to the 90's - they still had computers, but obviously the technology was more limited. You won't get radar cruise control or much in the way of blutooth though, obviously. You can still have an automatic sedan with pretty good safety. (Not as good as modern, but decent)


Mercedes A-class 2014 is this car.


That's basically my 2001 Toyota Rav4 and my brother's 2010 Hyundai Creta.


Chevrolet Bolt EV? Physical buttons everywhere. No fancy features. It just works.


You've described a 15 year old BMW 3 Series.




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