Maybe this is my own neurospice speaking but...What even is authenticity? Do we even see authenticity in public? Any awareness that we are being observed introduces some amount of Hawthorne effect. Probably the most genuine folks are the introverts and socially averse.
Regional burns are espoused to celebrate "radical self-expression" , and unlike the Big Burn, their smaller size seems to promote authenticity to a greater degree. But even there, people are doing bits or acting out a persona or even just socially experimenting.
Authenticity itself is nebulous. But even taking that into account, there are definitely more harmful and less harmful facades. We pay actors and performers to be inauthentic. But we consider influencer "fake".
Point is, I don't think "authenticity" is the main metric we actually care about. Inauthenticity can be lots of fun for all parties. It's the motivations of the act. It's the second-order authenticity. An actor is authentic in their inauthenticity: there's no hiding that they are putting on an act. But we dislike influencers and the like because while they are (often obviously) inauthentic, they try to hide that fact under a facade trying to make it seem like it's their "real expression".
As a counterpoint, take a youtuber I really enjoy, Ryan McBeth. He does OSINT mostly military-themed current events vids and blogs. I'm sure the Ryan in front of the camera is different than the Ryan I'd meet at the bar: more polished, calculated in choice of words, presenting self in the best light, because that's what we all do in the limelight. But he totally lampshades his sponsored bits: "let me take a few moments to pay the bills". That's the second-order authenticity. Doing a paid sponsor bit is ipso facto inauthentic - it's not something you'd do without the influence of money. But lampshading it tips his hand and humanizes him. Or does it? <vsauce theme> Maybe he's saying that because his shtick is "down to earth authentic guy" and that's what that character would say? (I doubt it, but it's a fun hypothetical).
Famously, "All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players" - Shakespeare
> I'm sure the Ryan in front of the camera is different than the Ryan I'd meet at the bar
I draw the opposite conclusion: I think talking to him at the bar about tanks and war would sound virtually the same as him on youtube. I would only expect him to check his facts and make a mental model of what he intends to say on cam instead of free-handing it (I think this is what Ward Carroll does because he has a different style).
Regarding "what is authenticity", what it makes me think of is everyone whining and moaning on Twitter about having to pay a few bucks for membership. If you were authentic enough to truly believe in what you say, then paying $8/mo is a great investment to get your message out and have a more official platform. However, if you want to enter a proverbial playground and play king of the hill (the game) and shove people around with your views and snide remarks and tribalism, then of course you're not going to pay to use the playground! It's for fun and recreation pretending to follow trends and ideologies.
If you have the ability to sense another human's emotions you can often tell when someone is being authentic or not. Set and setting are also important. Authenticity is closer to honesty about yourself rather than some kind of self-expression. I am still authentic if I don't mention my hobby of collecting records while I am at the gym. I am not authentic if I start making up whatever will impress you.
> But we dislike influencers and the like because while they are (often obviously) inauthentic, they try to hide that fact under a facade trying to make it seem like it's their "real expression".
IMO, most people dislike influencers because they fall into the category of people who are outwardly pathetic. In any sort of human interaction desperation is seen as unattractive and wrong. Influencers are desperation boiled down into the highest concentration. They are fake, inauthentic, not because they aren't who they are but they try so hard to dial up everything about them to it's maximum.
> Doing a paid sponsor bit is ipso facto inauthentic
If I am doing a paid sponsorship for beard care equipment I am authentic. This generalization doesn't fit.
> I'm sure the Ryan in front of the camera is different than the Ryan I'd meet at the bar: more polished, calculated in choice of words, presenting self in the best light, because that's what we all do in the limelight.
Someone who takes the time to create an entire blog dedicated to a topic will likely be 90% similar to what you're reading. Of course there is nuance in human interaction but someone that dedicated to a particular craft will most likely obsess over it even in person.
I understand your post is some sort of philosophical discussion on authenticity. Maybe in some textbook sense you are right. However, I have had more authentic interactions with people than inauthentic interactions. If you're close with anyone at all in your life you have also experienced that. The systemization of everything (through what you call "radical self-expression") is creating a bunch of pseudo-intellectual naval gazing on what is fundamentally a simple topic. Authentic people are honest people. You can often tell right away who is lying and who is not. The computer in your head has hundreds of thousands of years of evolution to help you with that.
Great points. I think fundamentally you and I have different operating definitions of authenticity.
Though I do want to clarify
> The systemization of everything (through what you call "radical self-expression") is creating a bunch of pseudo-intellectual naval gazing
That's not my term, it's a burner term, and has nothing to do with systematization. The Ten Principles are a set of descriptive (not proscriptive) observations about what makes a Burn different from other festival-like gatherings [0].
> fundamentally a simple topic. Authentic people are honest people. You can often tell right away who is lying and who is not. The computer in your head has hundreds of thousands of years of evolution to help you with that.
This is probably the neurospicy rearing it's head. I understand what you mean about "fundamentally a simple topic". But in a lot of ways, it's not simple. To a first order approximation, yes "honesty about who you are" is tantamount to authenticity. Because for most folks, "who you are" is a fairly fixed concept, so being honest (or dishonest) about it is straightforward. But I don't think having a fixed concept of self is a universal experience. For me, (when I'm at my full potential) I'm able to select and deselect attributes of myself to express.
Tl;dr - "masking" making defining "authenticity" challenging for neurodivergent folks.
> Tl;dr - "masking" making defining "authenticity" challenging for neurodivergent folks.
Understood
> But I don't think having a fixed concept of self is a universal experience. For me, (when I'm at my full potential) I'm able to select and deselect attributes of myself to express.
I don't think anyone has a true "self". I am not who I was 10 years ago and neither are you. Physically, sure. Mentally? Metaphysically? Absolutely not. People you interact with aren't stagnant by definition. If they were, you wouldn't be interacting with them. Where the honesty (and the authenticity) comes into play is where who you are now is who you are representing.
As for selecting and deselecting traits I don't think this is inauthentic. It's normal, actually, in that people do this to create connections. I like to think of it like a handshake. We each kind of discuss things we like, we eventually arrive in some consistent state, and now we're "connected". We are still authentic (in that we are still honest) but we have selected certain traits of ours that are similar enough to foster a relationship. Of course, the inauthentic person can exploit this by just replaying back what they hear. This usually doesn't last long though. Someone too similar also raises red flags. An authentic person, IMO, will present with things you like and things you don't like. The balance of that is what makes the relationship between the two. Admitting what appear to be a negative (I don't like X, I think X) is actually a good indicator of an honest person.
Regional burns are espoused to celebrate "radical self-expression" , and unlike the Big Burn, their smaller size seems to promote authenticity to a greater degree. But even there, people are doing bits or acting out a persona or even just socially experimenting.
Authenticity itself is nebulous. But even taking that into account, there are definitely more harmful and less harmful facades. We pay actors and performers to be inauthentic. But we consider influencer "fake".
Point is, I don't think "authenticity" is the main metric we actually care about. Inauthenticity can be lots of fun for all parties. It's the motivations of the act. It's the second-order authenticity. An actor is authentic in their inauthenticity: there's no hiding that they are putting on an act. But we dislike influencers and the like because while they are (often obviously) inauthentic, they try to hide that fact under a facade trying to make it seem like it's their "real expression".
As a counterpoint, take a youtuber I really enjoy, Ryan McBeth. He does OSINT mostly military-themed current events vids and blogs. I'm sure the Ryan in front of the camera is different than the Ryan I'd meet at the bar: more polished, calculated in choice of words, presenting self in the best light, because that's what we all do in the limelight. But he totally lampshades his sponsored bits: "let me take a few moments to pay the bills". That's the second-order authenticity. Doing a paid sponsor bit is ipso facto inauthentic - it's not something you'd do without the influence of money. But lampshading it tips his hand and humanizes him. Or does it? <vsauce theme> Maybe he's saying that because his shtick is "down to earth authentic guy" and that's what that character would say? (I doubt it, but it's a fun hypothetical).
Famously, "All the world’s a stage, And all the men and women merely players" - Shakespeare
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_effect
https://ryanmcbeth.substack.com/