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I recently read a book about the history of cars in my country [0], and how they came to dominate. It's quite astonishing how quickly we went from the streets belonging to the people, to the few privileged owning a car taking all that space. In 1920, 15 pedestrians were killed with only 2000 cars in the country. Instead of that being a killing blow to the cars, the rich people owning cars organized. They had power and stood together, and managed to make it so that it was "uncultured people walking in the road getting run over". Some of these organizations still exist today, like Trygg Trafikk ("Safe Traffic"), and they're true to their roots: they're not really advocating for less traffic deaths, they're advocating for making it easier to drive everywhere in the guise of promoting "safety".

[0]: Et land på fire hjul, by Ulrik Eriksen



> In 1920, 15 pedestrians were killed with only 2000 cars in the country. Instead of that being a killing blow to the cars, the rich people owning cars organized.

What's missing in this analysis is a comparison to the numbers of injuries and fatalities caused by horse drawn carriages. Also, cars didn't leave horse poop everywhere on the streets, with all of the health and sanitation implications.


One indicator is that horseback riding today is one of the most dangerous things you can do. The injury rate for recreational riding is higher than American football, car racing, and skiing. https://tsaco.bmj.com/content/6/1/e000728

I would venture to guess that since stop signs, lane markings and traffic signals were all deployed after cars started killing people, there were a significant number of people annually run over by horse-drawn vehicles, thrown from horseback, or run over by pre-car vehicles like trolleys and trains. Urban streets looked something like this: https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM24987


This isn’t a hard question. Over 40,000 Americans died on roads last year. I’ll bet my house that 13,000 people were not run over by horses in 1920.

But also, this is pure straw man. The modern alternatives to cars are trains, bikes and busses.


You’d have to look at the annual per capita numbers. Anyway I agree it’s possible cars today are way more deadly. We have no way of knowing, but we know for sure that it wasn’t all wine and honey pre automobile.


> You’d have to look at the annual per capita numbers.

Yeah, I adjusted them. The population has tripled.


You're comparing horse riding to being a pedestrian though. People on the street didn't consent to the risk the same way a rider or a driver has. You'd need to compare horse bystander injuries to get something remotely comparable.


Almost one death per hundred cars per year is insane and far more than horses could be unless most people died of horse accidents.


Walking around in horseshit and -piss all day before most medical science had been discovered can't have been great for public health.

It's good to remember you can't see the smell in old photos!


Wow, good thing replacing all that horse shit and piss with leaded gasoline for half a century didn't have any negative effects.


And now cars put far worse things than horse shit right into the air.


Horse poo is mostly chewed hay, not dangerous.


It can contain listeria, giardia, roundworm, e. coli, salmonella, clostridium and all sorts of other nasty business. Most healthy horses have low amounts of these in their stools, especially compared with dogs or humans. However, each horse produces about 5 tons (11,000 lbs) of poo a year.

A bunch of horses in a big city on a rainy day is a recipe for spreading disease.


The concept of jay walking was invented to permit victim blaming of people who once freely roamed among the carriages.


Dont think you understand the extent to which you and we owe our wealth to the invention of the combustion engine...


What in my comment makes you think I don't know the impact of cars? I just wrote a relevant comment to the article, of how cars won over my country.


Yes, yes, all hail the combustion engine…




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