You don't have to deal with the oil supply chain that has issues, from geopolitics, wars, environmental disasters, gas stations. Instead you just slowly upgrade the electrical grid and add more renewable energy production.
If I had to bet, refuelling a car will be a challenge once it will not be economical to have many gas stations everywhere. Fossil car will still exist like we still have horse carriages. I do enjoy the sound of an old internal combustion engine, in some contexts.
Not to mention that hybrid cars are bad electric cars that are more expensive and heavier. Once you have an electric power-train and a battery, it's not much more expensive to have more cells and get rid of the old heavy fossil tech.
Funny, I’m looking at the same picture and seeing something completely different. It seems to me that series hybrids with 50-100km electric range are the sweet spot:
- eliminates a huge chunk of CO2 emissions (most daily commutes, local travel)
- still takes advantage of the energy density and short refuel time of hydrocarbons for long distance travel
- dramatic reduction in the amount of batteries that need to be produced to electrify the whole vehicle population (this might shift the curve of at least some EV-miles by decades)
- no need for a massive retooling of the filling station network
- series hybrids still eliminate a lot of the mechanical overhead of ICE vehicles, and all else equal (range), a series hybrid is probably a lot lighter than an EV with all batteries
Did you know they actual pump artificial engine noise into the cabin of some cars? I bet they can make it feel and sound pretty good as they iterate on it.
> You don't have to deal with the oil supply chain that has issues, from geopolitics, wars, environmental disasters, gas stations. Instead you just slowly upgrade the electrical grid and add more renewable energy production.
electric doesn't solve any of these. I don't think I have to go into the lithium and rare earth stuff, but you also need charging stations for gas stations, as well as needing to invest substantially in the grid.
I am not anti electric, its just not a utopia its made out to be. its all the same problems of a different flavor. the only real benefit is less smog in cities, which is pretty good.
Once everyone has an EV the supply of lithium, etc., can largely come from scrapped vehicles. It doesn't get used up, it's still there at the end of the battery's lifetime, and it is easier to recycle than to mine new.
This is empty cynicism. The “current track record” for recycling some materials is great. I see no reason to assume batteries will recycle like household paper and plastic and not like scrap steel and aluminum.
Exactly, and batteries of other types are recycled very well here in Europe generally and Norway in particular and have been for many years and it is getting even better.
You don't have to deal with the oil supply chain that has issues, from geopolitics, wars, environmental disasters, gas stations. Instead you just slowly upgrade the electrical grid and add more renewable energy production.
If I had to bet, refuelling a car will be a challenge once it will not be economical to have many gas stations everywhere. Fossil car will still exist like we still have horse carriages. I do enjoy the sound of an old internal combustion engine, in some contexts.
Not to mention that hybrid cars are bad electric cars that are more expensive and heavier. Once you have an electric power-train and a battery, it's not much more expensive to have more cells and get rid of the old heavy fossil tech.