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Once someone has a home, they're no longer homeless, so it's a good strategy in some circumstances. Even where that person has other 'issues', it's a lot easier to deal with those once they're in a stable location.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-...

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/01/homeles...


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Citing an article or publication in rebuttal would be a more productive way to make this critique..


Which ironically would be from something like the Daily Wire or Zero Hedge.


You can help yourself to the info on what happened when homeless people were put in hotels during covid.

Most of them are homeless for because they can't live in a home.


Why is it nonsense for the state to fund shelter programs by buying out non-viable businesses (empty motels at the height of the pandemic), bailing out both business owners and building shelter capacity at much lower cost than building it new?


Suppose you buy every hotel in the sfba and move in every homeless person, totally clearing the streets.

What happens next? Just no more homeless?

No, more homeless will appear. They will fill the same corners and tents that you just cleared the month before.

This is not a solution. This is a grift.


> No, more homeless will appear

It's not like they magically respawn or something. There are people who have studied the root cause of homelessness, and: it's housing. Sure, other factors make things worse, but there's more homelessness where housing is expensive.

Which stands to reason: when a thing is expensive, fewer people can afford it.

https://homelessnesshousingproblem.com/

That's why, ultimately, the biggest YIMBY win is going to be not helping out people currently homeless, but stopping the pipeline in the first place by having enough housing.


They really do re-spawn if being homeless now means being given a nice, new, clean place to live. Why wouldn’t they?


There's so much evidence from research on unhoused populations and housing-first programs in the US and around the world, but you've got "why wouldn't they" on your side, so all of that evidence should probably be ignored.


What are some other examples of cases where we don't get more of what we subsidize?


Do you really think people with housing would become homeless in hopes of getting a new place?


No, but people are mobile, and the houseless are also people who communicate through the internet and share where assistance is available.

If free, safe lodging is available without restrictions, demand will quickly outstrip supply with folks moving from other cities (LA, Seattle, Portland, etc) to fill the available rooms. It's a $50 bus ticket, city officials will likely fund these tickets for them to get to SF to take advantage of this. SF had programs for this exact thing to get homeless out of SF [1]

1 - https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvg7ba/instead-of-helping-ho...


Which means every city should do this to reduce their homeless population. The "don't do it because homeless people will move from elsewhere to get this benefit" is a race to the bottom.

Housing homeless people reduces overall homelessness. If we do it enough, everyone will be housed. Part of this is lowering housing prices, another part of this is housing people who can't house themselves (for various reasons).


Giving away $300-500k condos is the race to the bottom.


I think there are a lot of people actually living with relatives and friends who would “become homeless”


You are making something of an induced demand argument that basic services for people who can't care for themselves will generate more such people. Fortunately, most people of sound mind understand that living in a former Motel 6 is not a good life and in practice the number of people who are "incentivized" by it are much less than the number of people taken off the streets by shelter. That's why cities with robust shelter programs like Houston have far fewer unsheltered homeless people.


Please read this article, I think it might change your perspective a bit: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/01/homeles...


That's the same article I posted, above!


Oops!


Other than calling "nonsense", you haven't really made the case against for something that has precedent. Care to take another whack at it?


$550,000 a unit. Come on. You can’t be serious that this is a solution.

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-califor...


The only to solve homelessness in a city, definitionally, are getting the homeless to move out, or getting them housing. Given the insane real estate prices in the area, $550K seems accurate to buy them housing. Unless you plan to round them up and ship them to camps, or find a way to get them jobs that pay well enough to lease a $550K unit, you're sort of out of options.


Homeless shelters? Seems to be a heck of a lot cheaper and more scalable than putting people up in 300-500k condos?


Shelters are a temporary means of keeping people alive. They are not long-term housing and don't solve the problem. Also, they aren't cheap and they aren't scalable.

We need and want shelters to exist, but only as a means of temporary housing.


Yes they should have cheaper housing for everybody. Not expensive housing for homeless.


And that is one of the primary things that YIMBY Action is working on.


> CEO John Maceri said the state has set up local governments for success, but it will take a combined effort of politicians and service providers to sustain the program. He estimates conversion costs will be far less than $550,000 per unit, the going rate for building from the ground up.

I assume this is where you got your number? Why skip the "far less" part?


Just fast googling. Here’s another source at $300k - still insane.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-san-francisco-awarded-gran...


Seems like a decent short-term plan, if it were to be properly funded and actually run like a hotel, minus the profits.


Can you elaborate on how this is "nonsense"?




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