When we're constantly adding more data transfer functionality and power capabilities to USB-C, I don't buy the "but muh innovation" argument.
The magic of USB-C isn't in the physical interface, it's in the chips that connect to the interface (both in the device and the cable). And if those chips want to change the pinouts after bootstrapping via the current pinout configuration, they can and will.
You realize that “magic” isn’t being enforced by the as usual short sighted EU?
There is no requirement to ship USB cords that actually transfer data at USB3 speeds or actually any mandate to have cables that support data at all. What do you think the chances are that cheap Android phones will ship with more expensive cables that can transfer at USB 3 speeds?
Not to mention that I doubt that the cheap USB cords will support video over USB C - something that USB C iPads already support.
All I expect out of a USB-C cord shipped by apple with my phone is the ability to charge (which is what I get with an iPad, which uses USB-C). I'd love to expect more, but a Thunderbolt cable is stupidly expensive and not worth including by default.
Standardization around the markings and marketing for USB-C cables would be f'ing awesome. But I'll take this win regardless.
It’s not Apple that you have to worry about not supporting the full spec - they already do with USB C iPads.
It’s the Android manufacturers and your local convenience store. Meaning it is still “contributing to ewaste” when you can’t use your old USB C cords to get all of the functionality that is part of the USB C spec.
This is yet another example of EU regulators not thinking through their proposals — see also the GDPR whose only consequence is a bunch of cookie pop ups.
So exactly what did it accomplish? Did it affect Facebook or Google at all or any adTech company?
When ATT was implemented by Apple, many ad tech companies announced it impacted them. You didn’t hear a whisper after the GDPR. Websites just started putting up annoying cookie banners and life continued.
What do you want exactly? Make tracking illegal? Make advertising illegal?
The law demands you ask the user for consent, if it made tracking illegal people would complain about their freedom to sell their private data for cat pictures.
There are consequences for GDPR, maybe you did not see any but I can assure you that there were news about fines and you can Google for that.
I can also inform you that at my work place GDPR also had an effect.
What you need is browser makers to get involved and improve the situation, I am sure you would have hated EU to tell you how to implement a ""do not tack" in your browser. The main issue is that Chrome is controlled by Google and they don't want to help with privacy. But who knows maybe your favorite company Apple will push and implement a consent for tracking API .
Btw here in EU GDPR also has effect in real world, just an example before GDPR you would get exam results published publicly with names, now you get a serial number and instead of names the results will ahve this serial number, nobody will know what your results are. Same if you go to a clinic to do a blood tests, they need to give you a paper and specify exactly what they will do with your data.
Big tech is trying to avoid doing the right thing as much as possible but they will pay larger and larger fines until they will have to respect the users.
> Btw here in EU GDPR also has effect in real world, just an example before GDPR you would get exam results published publicly with names,
In the US, for decades not even parents could know about their college students without the students signing paperwork.
> Same if you go to a clinic to do a blood tests, they need to give you a paper and specify exactly what they will do with your data.
HIPAA in the US never required cookie pop ups and has been the law for decades.
Its not exactly making a strong argument that there is one really complicated 11 chapter 99 section law that tries and failed badly to address different goals.
Yes, but HIPA is like EXTREMELY limited, GDPR apples to everything not only websites, mI attempted to clarify this since many confuse GDPR with "cookie law", so GDPR can't tell web-developers how to implement the popups or buttons since is a generic thing, the law specify that accepting and rejecting should be similarly easy , if it is not then you will need to report this bussiness and it takes time for them to get fined.
I am not sure why you guys in US see those popups, the websites could just continue tracking you and sell your data.
I'm sorry, but I don't see how we can lay the blame for corporations cutting corners on completely unrelated legislation.
I get that there can be unintended consequences with passed legislation, but these seem too disconnected to be relevant. As in, there have been substandard USB-C cables since USB-C first came out.
The existence of those cables can't be laid at the feet of requiring Apple to use USB-C on the one remaining device they offer which doesn't use USB-C.
The aim was to “prevent ewaste” by “standardizing cables”. The “standard” that the EU is mandating doesn’t do any of that if an Android user who bought an iPhone can’t use the “standard” cable to its potential.
I don't see anybody complaining about the RJ45 format, or NEMA. If you let companies run wild they would probably come up with a way to shove DRM into connectors.
Oh, people complain about NEMA all the time. It's objectively the worst commonly used socket+plug system from a safety perspective. It's somewhat mitigated by the common voltage being half of what the Europlug etc sees.
RJ45 (akchually 8p8c) also has its issues: people complain about how easy it is to break off the stupid plastic tab all the time.
There's proto-DRM in SFP connectors though, you're right. There's an EEPROM in the connector since it needs to negotiate with whatever it's plugged in to, and companies like Juniper and Cisco will only support their own optics (at least, they used to).
No argument there. The Europlug is another innovation stifling regulation though. We should allow developers/homebuilders to select the socket of their choice, even develop their own proprietary ones.
Sounds great. I want to buy a new charger or adapter every time I travel to a different country.
If we're at it we should also stop using SI units and go back to the times where every city had a different unit of measurement. Maybe we should go further and let companies develop their own units of measurement to allow for more innovation.
Sadly, that is the state of discourse that's coming from the innovation POV. The entire tone of these arguments boils down to an appeal to "common sense" with nothing backing it.
And, as repeatedly pointed out, it's not like the EU is preemptively stifling all potential replacements. They're explicitly carving room in the laws for those replacements when they're ready.
It stifles innovation because anyone who wants to use a new connector has to lobby some EU bureaucrats.
How long have we had to click through cookie consent popups on every website? You’d think the EU would be able to update their laws to fix something so simple and annoying. I expect their phone connector standards to be administered with similar competence.
Except that the regulation doesn't do any such thing (the USB-C mandate will expire automatically after a few years) and the innovation angle is just bloviating from people who haven't read the regulation and need a desperate need to defend their rich mega corporation.
> Except that the regulation doesn't do any such thing (the USB-C mandate will expire automatically after a few years)
The precedence has been set.
> and the innovation angle is just bloviating from people who haven't read the regulation and need a desperate need to defend their rich mega corporation.
lol dude, aside from your clear lack of knowledge in economics - you're never going to learn anything with that attitude.
>Caring about precedence
>On roman Law
lmao precedence of this kind would mater if this was the commonwealth but historically precedence has meant nothing in the EU
That's the thing about roman law, just because one judge decided fucking people in the ass is correct it does not mean everyone should agree. So don't use the tools for the analysis of anglo law in this.
When we're constantly adding more data transfer functionality and power capabilities to USB-C, I don't buy the "but muh innovation" argument.
The magic of USB-C isn't in the physical interface, it's in the chips that connect to the interface (both in the device and the cable). And if those chips want to change the pinouts after bootstrapping via the current pinout configuration, they can and will.