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They've also removed the following from the list of words in future games

wench, slave, fibre, agora, pupal, lynch

And removed the following from the list of words that are accepted as guesses (in addition to the above ones):

gooks, darky, pussy, spick, spics, bitch, fagot, dyked, coons, spiks, sluts, dykey, faggy, homos, chink, dykes, lesbo, kikes, whore

Most of those I get, but why did fibre, agora, and pupal get pulled?



I would guess they simply applied their existing word game dictionary — probably the same one they use for “Spelling Bee”.

It doesn’t include slurs, uses US-spellings (at least in the US), and intentionally doesn’t include “obscure” words, though obviously that’s a judgement call. (Spelling Bee has an email link if you want to dispute an exclusion — I believe I helped get “ichor” added to the list.)


Spelling Bee accepts agora. Spelling Bee and LetterBoxed have very different dictionaries. Spelling Bee is way more “strict.”


Fibre could be because it might annoy American players who object to non-American English spellings.

Pupal and agora I really don't get. Maybe some uneducated players would think pupal was some dirty word (related to poop???), but agora has no negative association that I can imagine.

As for the other removed words, I think it's fortunate for the Wardle guy that that list was not publicized before it got bought. That would have created a firestorm and possibly eliminated his chance of the sale.


> As for the other removed words, I think it's fortunate for the Wardle guy that that list was not publicized before it got bought. That would have created a firestorm and possibly eliminated his chance of the sale.

The word lists were (and are) in the site's javascript, readable for anyone who cares to look.


Agora is the leading drug Darknet Marketplace.

That is surely it, it is the only (negative) connotation and incident in culture.


Oh, for chrissakes. As if nobody ever read about classical Greece.

(Upvoted for the info, which I'll bet is right. Christ.)


And now here we are talking about it. Bit of a Streisand effect, that.


Maybe, but Agora was shut down in 2015.


Ahh, that'll do it. Fascinating.


sheesh!


Maybe they’re agora-phobic.


This comment just made the etymology of "agoraphobic" click for me!


I considered this, but there's nothing wrong about "just another phobia", even if it may be the meta-phobia-to-rule-them-all.

The self-circular nature of agoraphobia is fascinating to contemplate though :)


FIBRE is spelt FIBER in American English.

AGORA is a rarely-used word and is probably not in the dictionary referenced by The NY Times for their word puzzles.

PUPAL may be mis-perceived as a misspelling of PUPIL and frustrate players. I don’t know… I’m guessing!


Probably reasonable guesses.

Though, I'd expect these to be moved to allowed guesses, there's some very obscure stuff in the allowed guess list.

Probably just a first pass by whoever's in charge of standards. Now I'm trying to guess if this was a simple pass with an "approved words" list, or if there was a mind-numbing meeting where they spent a day or two looking at words.


As someone from British English nation, there's no way I'm ever likely to guess FIBER unless I've exhausted FIBRE first. It breaks the brain. The ER phenomenon goes against every fibre of my being.


Also from a Commonwealth nation and I prefer the -er spelling. It looks more balanced, take the word center as an example, it plain looks nicer, and having a vowel flow onto a consonant for a hard ending means the spelling matches the actual pronunciation. I think centre at first glance would suggest a more French pronunciation - "cen-tray".

That said, I'll never forgive American English for what it did to Aluminium. The word Aluminium just sparkles and glitters like the metal itself, whereas Aluminum has a distinctly cold sound, like an echo in an empty hall early on a winter's morning.


As a Canadian I have a weird mishmash that looks right to me. I'd actually use both center and centre in different contexts. Like, the center of a circle is clearly center, but a rec centre looks better that way! (Notwithstanding the red underline my browser with its own preference is giving me...)


Wrong. Agora was accepted as of March 26, 2021 — and I’m quite certain it’s been seen since.

https://nytspellingbeeanswers.org/nyt-spelling-bee-answers-0...


Well they had "humor" and that's an actual misspelling :D


Not in American English. That's spelled correctly.


I don't really see the motivation for removing slurs, etc, from the available guess list in a game where you are the only one who sees your guesses. Good of them to take the words with unpleasant associations out of the solutions list, though.


Staying clear of the woke crossword folks.

The Wall Street Journal's puzzles are edited by Mike Shenk. For years - going back to when he was in college - he published puzzles under the name "Marie Kelly" (an anagram of "REALLY MIKE"). Then, one day, the people at crosswordfiend.com decided that was unacceptable - that potential female crossword designers would be put off by the fact that a man was publishing crosswords under a woman's name. And, obviously, we need more female crossword designers. As well as more female answers to crossword clues. And don't even think about publishing a crossword that has, say, FASCIST as an answer - they don't want to see such an awful word.

I wish I was joking.


A lot of this game is yet to be solved- it would be rather unfortunate if one of the most useful words in a top strategy happened to be a slur, meaning that those wishing to "solve" the game would likely have to include said slur in their strategy.

Otherwise, yes, it should rarely be an issue.


I guess that is possible.

None of them look great, intuitively. Actually it is kind of interesting, although unsurprising on second thought, that the removed words skew toward these harsh g and k noises which don't show up as much elsewhere in English. So they don't look like good first picks. But maybe at some point strategies will advance to having common second picks or something like that.


I would be motivated to do it. If you were a happy wordle player and also have a marginalized identity, it might suck to finally get the word right and see a slur against that identity bouncing across the screen in happy green letters. Seems to me like this makes Wordle a more welcoming game.


I believe they were removed from the "valid guesses" dictionary and not the "answers" dictionary.


Imagine this scenario.

People can easily make a whole game panel of these word guesses, then post a screen shot on social media. Then cancel culture mob takes over.


I don't see much being held to that standard, for example you can write these words in notepad but nobody has come for Microsoft on this front.


Imagine this scenario, you open Wordle to guess the word for the day. You put in your guesses and manage to guess it right, but it's a slur that's been used against you on many occasions and now you have to relive traumatic episodes, when all you wanted was a positive experience?


The game has two word lists -- a "possible solution" set and an "allowed guess" set. They removed:

* some words with negative connotations from the solution set

* slurs from the allowed guess set

As such, I believe there already weren't any slurs in the possible solution set. Or at least they weren't in the group of words which were mentioned as removed here. So, your scenario was already not possible.

I think removing the words with negative connotations from the solution set was a great move because, while they aren't slurs, there's no need to give people that negative experience.


So your solution is to "pre-cancel" yourself?


1984 explains the motivation.


The wordle code has two distinct arrays: the list of answers and the list of other words you can guess. If you carelessly remove words from the answers you will also make it impossible to guess them. I figure they removed some answers without adding them to the acceptable guesses because they didn’t think about it.

Fibre, agora and pupal are a little esoteric. Not as much as many words on the SOWPODS list, but enough to perhaps be annoying.


I see the Spelling Bee editors have taken over...


I’ve always found that the Wordle solution word is very common. So agora and pupal would be surprising in that regard.


Fibre - confusing British vs American spelling

Agora & pupal - probably the repeated letters? Or they are just too obscure.


Non-US spelling?


They forgot 'Trump'


> why did fibre, agora, and pupal get pulled

No idea for fibre, but agora and pupal have repeated letters. Are there other words in the accepted wordlist with repeated letters?


Yes, there are 689 words left with 4 distinct letters, 57 with 3, and 1 word left that just has 2 distinct letters in it.

That word is a common enough English word ... warning, this is a spoiler for a puzzle that should appear in about 5 years ... "mamma"


I solved one the other week with repeated letters, answer was elder.


Yes we had KNOLL as an answer recently.


I would guess they just got removed because they were obscure. I remember past words with repeated letters.


'elder' is there




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