Your beliefs about infection and transmission rates are wrong. The UK does vastly more testing than most European countries. Normalize by testing rate and the UK is no different to anywhere else. Here's an example query for you:
At any rate, I'm curious why you still believe infection rates are linked to policy. There are so many counter-examples by now: for the UK specifically, after it had it's "Freedom Day" and removed masking requirements and other measures cases fell significantly and immediately. Florida got rid of all measures and now has one of the lowest rates in the USA. Studies have been done to measure the correlation between various types of policies and outcomes, always with a null result. Infection rates and policy just don't seem to be linked at all, sad though it is to say.
"They are not a medical instrument, they are a policy instrument"
And the UK already has very high vaccination rates. Well above the levels originally claimed to be needed, especially over 90% amongst the vulnerable, meaning they're pointless both on their face and if you treat them as a form of extra-judicial punishment.
I agree with you that they're actually the latter, but they're presented as a medical instrument by governments. Hence why testing and recovery gets you a certificate. If you view them as in reality being mandates that circumvent the judicial system then Europe - a continent that spent much of the 20th century as a basket case overrun with dictators and fascists - is once again lying to its people in the name of totalitarian control. Why on earth should England follow them down that road? It's one that's been walked before, always with horrific ends.
"Not if they keep using masks and hanging around with other vaxed people only"
I think you're just making things up now. No data indicates this that I'm aware of, transmission rates aren't "out of control" once you correct for testing rates and if vaccinated people only stop being infectious when wearing masks (lol) then it's not the vaccines stopping transmission, is it?
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
At any rate, I'm curious why you still believe infection rates are linked to policy. There are so many counter-examples by now: for the UK specifically, after it had it's "Freedom Day" and removed masking requirements and other measures cases fell significantly and immediately. Florida got rid of all measures and now has one of the lowest rates in the USA. Studies have been done to measure the correlation between various types of policies and outcomes, always with a null result. Infection rates and policy just don't seem to be linked at all, sad though it is to say.
"They are not a medical instrument, they are a policy instrument"
And the UK already has very high vaccination rates. Well above the levels originally claimed to be needed, especially over 90% amongst the vulnerable, meaning they're pointless both on their face and if you treat them as a form of extra-judicial punishment.
I agree with you that they're actually the latter, but they're presented as a medical instrument by governments. Hence why testing and recovery gets you a certificate. If you view them as in reality being mandates that circumvent the judicial system then Europe - a continent that spent much of the 20th century as a basket case overrun with dictators and fascists - is once again lying to its people in the name of totalitarian control. Why on earth should England follow them down that road? It's one that's been walked before, always with horrific ends.
"Not if they keep using masks and hanging around with other vaxed people only"
I think you're just making things up now. No data indicates this that I'm aware of, transmission rates aren't "out of control" once you correct for testing rates and if vaccinated people only stop being infectious when wearing masks (lol) then it's not the vaccines stopping transmission, is it?