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> If you want to do away with this, you have to bring a compelling argument.

I'm a law-and-order guy myself, have applied for (technical) position in police and would even accept a paycut for it.

But it is with this like with other security related things, many people only considers two of the three cornerstones:

- confidentiality

- integrity

- availability

Same here:

Justice is not only about punishing every very bad guy.

It is also very much about not dragging innocent people through the worst accusations an innocent person can be dragged through.

Keeping people safe is not only about rescuing people from hostage situations - it is also about not ramming in the door at someone relaxing on their couch because some random guy or gal called over ip phone.

Too many people already go through huge problems because of false accusations. You say you work in the field so I guess you must have heard about cases were perfectly innocent people commit suicide because their lives got ruined because of what later turned out to be baseless accusations.

Justice is also about not creating a system that creates even more of this suffering, right?

(BTW: I really enjoyed the an0m trick and a few others. I root for you guys, but lets keep it real and not set up the worst footgun for the future since the well meant Jew lists in Europe early last century.)



I completely agree with your characterization of the various concerns.

I don't agree with the characterization that this system will cause baseless accusations.

These systems have been in place for many years and have proven themselves useful and reliable.

Apple have tried to implement it in a way that allows them to turn on E2EE on iCloud, and HN has turned that into a conspiracy theory.




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