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> The hypotenuse of a right-angled triangle (in a standard American examination) is 10 inches, the altitude dropped onto it is 6 inches. Find the area of the triangle. American school students had been coping successfully with this problem over a decade. But then Russian school students arrived from Moscow, and none of them was able to solve it as had their American peers (giving 30 square inches as the answer). Why?

That's a good one. I know the answer but won't reveal it since it's a fun one to discover yourself.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude_(triangle) for reference, I guessed what the issue was but wasn't familiar with the term altitude


Exactly. In grade school the formula being taught was "base times height over 2" but no one mentioned the term altitude.


Since none of the replies so far have it correct, here's a spoiler:

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1594740/v-i-arnold-...


Fair enough. I was going to wait a bit longer to provide the hint. I do like that there are non-Euclidian answers. However, I doubt non-Euclidian geometry was expected on standardized tests tests in US, if the anecdote is to be believed that this came from say SAT or ACT.


Probably, I'm too proficient in English to see the problem.

* guess #1: they read it as a Pythagoras triangle, with sides 10, 6 and 8, hence they answered 6 * 8 / 2 = 24.

* guess #2: they could not make sense of "altitude dropped onto it".

* they tried to convert units and forgot that for area, the coefficient is squared?


The problem is that right triangles have to obey a constraint. The angle opposite the hypotenuse is 90 degrees.

Thus, once you've fixed the two endpoints of the hypotenuse, not all points are eligible to be the final point of the triangle. All other points in space can form a triangle with those two points, but it may not be a right triangle.

If you interpret the hypotenuse as the diameter of a circle, all -- and only -- the points on the circle, except the hypotenuse's endpoints, will form a right triangle with the hypotenuse. If the diameter's length is, as specified in the problem, 10 inches, this tells us that the circle has radius 5 inches. This is the maximum distance between the hypotenuse and the third corner of the triangle. The problem tells us that the distance from the hypotenuse to the third corner is 6 inches, which is impossible.


> which is impossible

Or, generally, is only possible in a non-Euclidean geometry (which the Russian students apparently did not know very well).


I doubt knowledge of non-Euclidian geometry expected in standardized tests like SAT or ACT, where supposedly this problem came from.


I think the whole story is a joke (not unlike the one about the "space pencil").


> If you interpret the hypotenuse as the diameter of a circle, all -- and only -- the points on the circle, except the hypotenuse's endpoints, will form a right triangle with the hypotenuse.

I've known that since I was a kid. What I didn't know until ~40 years later is that there is a generalization of that. If AB is a chord of a circle, and C and D are any points on the circle that are on the same side of AB, then angles ACB and ADB are the same. I have no idea how I never came across that before. It's called the Inscribed Angle Theorem, and is in Euclid.

When I read that I tried to prove it. First try was geometrically. I just could not get it. (Yes, I know that in fact it is easy...I've always sucked at geometry).

Second try was with vectors. What it is saying is that the dot product of AC and CB should be the same no matter where C is if you move C around on the same side of AB. That led to some ugly expression that would need to be constant. Mathematica said it was constant, but Mathematica doesn't show its work and I could not figure out how to show it.

Next try was with physics. Imagine that the circle is a very large circular train track, and there is a train on the track whose front is at A and back is at B. Imagine you have two cameras at the center of the circle, one pointed at A and the other, mounted directly on top of the first, pointed at B.

If the train starts moving, you'd have to turn the cameras to keep them pointing at the front and back of the train. With the cameras at the center of the circle, you'd have to turn them at the same rate. That's because from your point of view at the center of the circle, the angular velocities of any two points on the train are the same.

What the the Inscribed Angle theorem implies is that this also works if the cameras are on the circle. I.e., from the point of view of someone standing on the circular track, looking at a train moving elsewhere on the track, all parts of the train have the same angular velocity.

Dropping the train, what we have then is that the Inscribed Angle theorem is equivalent to claiming that a point moving around the circle at constant angular velocity as seen from the center of the circle also had constant (but not the same constant!) angular velocity as seen from an observer on the circle.

It was then easy to set up a point moving around a circle at constant angular velocity in polar coordinates (r = 1, θ = t), convert to Cartesian coordinates, shift the viewpoint to somewhere on the circle, go back to polar coordinates, and differentiate θ(t) with respect to t. That gave an expression that was easy to see was a constant. QED. Whew...

...and then I had another go at doing it with elementary geometry, and it turned out to be easy after all. Something you might reasonably see on a high school geometry homework assignment.


SPOILER:

Well my answer but it's a correct one.

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˙lɐnbǝ ǝɹɐ sǝƃpǝ ɹǝɥʇo oʍʇ uǝɥʍ s,ʇI ˙ގ ʇsoɯ ʇɐ ǝq plnoɔ ʇı uo pǝddoɹp ǝpnʇıʇlɐ ǝɥʇ 0⇂ ǝsnuǝʇodʎɥ ɥʇıʍ uǝɥʇ ǝlƃuɐıɹʇ pǝlƃuɐ-ʇɥƃıɹ ɐ s,ʇı ɟI


Well, there's many possible answers. I'll give a few:

- Russia doesn't have "inches"

- The question has English terms like "hypotenuse"

- The Russian students were younger

- There were differences in conventions, e.g. which side is down. An altitude dropped onto the hypotenuse of a right triangle could be perpendicular, or either of the two other sides.

- And so on...

A lot of these problems are designed for a conversation rather than a solution.


Inches is not the issue. It could be any units. The joke about the American vs Russian students was a jab at the American students, not the Russian ones! Something about the Russian students seeing something that American student couldn't. I don't agree with the premise of course, just providing the extra info as a hint.

I can believe, however, that this problem was on a standardized test in US at some point. This last sentence points to the answer a bit more too :)


Clearly the problem was too complex for the Russian students.


Since this is being downvoted, maybe I should elaborate that it was unreal?


Funny in germany we learn the formular for just that:

Area_triangle = Base_triangle * Height_triangle / 2

/edit: fixed factor of two


That’s either a nice example of hemibel thinking (http://libertycorner.blogspot.com/2004/07/hemibel-thinking.h...), of your memory going away, or of an extremely lousy education.

(You are of by a factor of 2)


I'm not sure sure if you made a mistake or if you are joking


The problem is exactly that the application of a formula requires some assumptions to be met, the first of which is logical consistency.

Try to draw a triangle such as the one mentioned.


lol?


There's a funny story. Before PISA, Finland looked up to the German school system, which was clearly considered superior by both sides.

When PISA came out in 2000, Finland was surprised to come out on top for Europe. Germany's performance in math was abysmal -- behind the US even. People started flocking to see what Finland did, and stopped looking up to Germany.

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2002/2002116.pdf

The German school system has since gradually improved -- it's no longer behind the US -- but it's far from world-leading.




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