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Surely bravery underlies the punishments or dismissals which reward acting according to society's norms. Or maybe fear drives profits.


Or, y’know, the Government implemented laws which are intended to protect a minority which doesn’t have another option under capitalism.

Come out and say it - “I would prefer you dead than have to work alongside you”.


Stop shouting it from the rooftops and you'll be accepted however you present yourself. That's your option, but you refuse to take that one.

You're continually bashing your sexuality and gender identity politics into people's faces and then complaining that they don't like you. Nobody else does this.

If I work with you, I would prefer to not know about your deeply personal issues at all.


You would know my deeply personal issues only by how I dress. I don’t shout about shit at work, I do my job (better than most could), and still I get harassed.

I wish people did see it as a deeply personal issue and felt embarrassed about bringing it up, or trying to get their fingers into my healthcare as in the rest of this thread.

You cannot have it both ways - attempt to tell me to shut up when defending myself, while trying to tell me you know better than my doctor and me about my healthcare and gender.


> You would know my deeply personal issues only by how I dress.

That's an easy problem to fix. If dressing a particular way is causing harassment, start dressing differently.

I want to wear sweatpants to work, but nobody finds it acceptable. So you know what I do? I wear khakis now.

> I wish people did see it as a deeply personal issue and felt embarrassed about bringing it up, or trying to get their fingers into my healthcare as in the rest of this thread.

They absolutely wouldn't bring it up if they weren't prompted. Nobody goes around randomly making fun of people without cause because it's not fun to just make stuff up about people that's obviously not true. There has to be some hint of truth to it.

> You cannot have it both ways - attempt to tell me to shut up when defending myself, while trying to tell me you know better than my doctor and me about my healthcare and gender.

There would be nothing to defend against if nobody announced their personal issues by dressing a certain way and talking about it.

People in this thread are here voluntarily. If they don't like what's being said they can go to some other thread and stop talking about the thing that's causing them grief.


I dress the way I do because I am a woman. Sorry you don’t believe me. Do you wanna see my cunt to prove it?

I also have breasts, can’t exactly hide those without causing damage. Visibly disabled folk get harassed at work too, they can’t hide their very personal problem, nor should we be asking them to.

This isn’t relevant in the workplace. I am legally recognised as a woman. If you don’t accept that - politics isn’t acceptable in the workplace, remember?


If you're a woman then how would I "know [your] deeply personal issues only by how [you] dress"?

I have never seen anyone make fun of people who look like women for dressing like women.

Fat and unattractive people get made fun of and harassed the world over, starting in grade school. A cis woman who doesn't look like a woman is considered unattractive too as you mentioned below.

Honestly it just sounds like unattractive people problems to me. Perhaps we need a movement to protect fat and unattractive people too.


I have a jawline that doesn’t match what you’d expect, a receding hairline, and very occasionally I fail to shave absolutely perfectly. I have slightly broader shoulders than most women. All things some cis women have to deal with, I might add, which leads to stories like “cis woman assaulted when she tried to use the women’s bathroom”.

Point is - I am legally recognised as a woman. My legal name is a woman’s name. I have tits and a cunt. If you start asking me what my “real name” is, or suggesting to people that I might rape them if we share a bathroom, you’re the one bringing politics into work - I’m complying with the law. I want to be at work less than you do, I don’t have a choice, let me exist.

Being forced to wear men’s clothes, a binder, and be called Kevin would be literally torture - I would die before I did that. It is not at all the same thing as sweatpants or khakis. It’d be blood on your hands.


There’s already a movement to protect unattractive women (men generally do not suffer the same sort of gendered harassment, because women are generally not looking at their colleagues at work and being angry that they’re not fuckable) from harassment in workplaces. Has been for, what, the past 50 years. Laws around it too. My HR training covered them. Somehow guys don’t get the message.

Misogyny sucks, transmisogyny is a special breed of that, sadly.


And if your accusation were in the workplace, you win automatically. Good job seizing the means, I guess.




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