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Actually, it went sort of like this:

I used qubes as a desktop os, but it was a little clunky. Like the copy/paste or moving stuff between the vms.

But the main problem was I couldn't ssh INTO the qubes machine, and I couldn't really run server kinds of things (though maybe it was possible to dig into the networking and the firewall vm).

When I tried proxmox, it was more set up for server kinds of things. For example, all the VMs showed up as machines on my local network. I started to make it a desktop, but then backed off. I decided to leave the debian main os vanilla. Instead I made it a server. And I got away from VMs and use containers.

I do have a macos vm that I remote into though. It's a copy of my laptop which I haven't used as much the last year.



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