>> Dutch people don't want to hear this but the Netherlands are a tax haven just like Ireland. Luxembourg and Switzerland aren't actually that attractive for tax avoidance anymore.
> Why they don't want to hear this ? Isn't it something the Dutch people should be very proud of ?
Why would anyone be proud of living in a tax haven? The whole point of being one is to profit a little off of a race to the bottom by undermining your neighbor's tax system by helping their wealthy be greedier.
I fail to understand what is wrong with this. What is wrong in people keeping more of their wealth to themselves ? Heck I am not even very rich but would love to live in a country that does not tax and on top will be extremely proud to be the citizen.
If there is something wrong in lower taxes are you implying thay countries with 100% taxes (where you turn up everything you have to your government) would be somehow morally superior or something to be proud of ?
> I fail to understand what is wrong with this. What is wrong in people keeping more of their wealth to themselves ?
It's selfish and antisocial. These are pretty basic concepts, and I'm having a little trouble believing they could be unknown or hard to understand. I don't even think libertarian tracts are usually that extreme.
> If there is something wrong in lower taxes are you implying thay countries with 100% taxes (where you turn up everything you have to your government) would be somehow morally superior or something to be proud of ?
No, of course not. You seem to be conceiving things in very black and white way, which is almost never correct (e.g. there's a lot of space between 0% and 100%, rejecting 0% in no way implies a choice of 100%).
It is not clear to me why being selfish is either antisocial or being greedy is antisocial. Almost all the better societies, more livable societies are where people are free to pursue their own self interest (aka greed or profits). The one like North Korea where government beats people to be "non-greedy" appear to be pretty violent places to live.
> which is almost never correct
I am not seeing either any black or white. You on other hand just called a lot of people antisocial. So people who move out of California to Nevada because they dont want to pay 10% (or 16%) state tax are antisocial ? Seems pretty black and white assertion to me.
> It is not clear to me why being selfish is either antisocial or being greedy is antisocial.
Because greed leads people to harm and neglect others for gain? This is an extremely basic idea, and if it's still not clear to you, maybe you could watch a movie like Wall Street (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094291/) and pay close attention to the Blue Star employees, how Gordon Gekko is willing to harm them, and how little he cares about it. It's probably not the best movie to teach this, but at least it's for adults and it came to mind easily. It feels like it would take more time than I'm willing to spend to explain it.
> Almost all the better societies, more livable societies are where people are free to pursue their own self interest (aka greed or profits). The one like North Korea where government beats people to be "non-greedy" appear to be pretty violent places to live.
It would probably do you well to just completely forget about North Korea. I'm no fan of it at all, but what you wrote reads like a rough rehash of some melodramatic libertarian propaganda meme (e.g. make and extreme idea like "greed is good" by placing it in opposition to a villain).
>> which is almost never correct
> I am not seeing either any black or white. You on other hand just called a lot of people antisocial. So people who move out of California to Nevada because they dont want to pay 10% (or 16%) state tax are antisocial ? Seems pretty black and white assertion to me.
You totally are seeing things in back and white (or more precisely, pairs of radical extremes). However, I'm not really willing to spend any more effort trying to hand hold you away from that.
Also, the free association argumentation thing is obnoxious. We're talking about tax havens (and a weird assertion that they should be pride-inducing), what do state resident income tax rates have to do with that? Those are very different things.
> Because greed leads people to harm and neglect others for gain
I accept a job offer than pays me more, that is greed but how does that cause anyone harm or cause neglect ? I think you are mistaking lack of compassion on charity to be greed. Which societies or successful people are not greedy in your case ?
> It's probably not the best movie to teach this, but at least it's for adults and it came to mind easily.
I do not take moral lessons from movies. There might be bad people everywhere but greed has very little to do with it.
> rough rehash of some melodramatic libertarian propaganda meme
This is just flamewar. Extreme ideas are a good way to compare principles. Once you agree that stealing is bad, it is irrelevant how much stealing is bad.
The example of North Korea has nothing to do propaganda meme. The observation, real observation is that people are giving arm and leg to move to areas with lower taxes, these areas also have reasonably well quality of life.
> We're talking about tax havens (and a weird assertion that they should be pride-inducing),
Using our logic (or rather lack of) "haven" is a socialist propaganda term. Some political entities have figured out that by having a "BETTER" tax regime they can invite more wealth and wealthy. Singapore an Hong Kong are such great examples. You in one stroke are calling them "greedy".
Not only is factually wrong, it is also pretty self righteous of you.
> Why they don't want to hear this ? Isn't it something the Dutch people should be very proud of ?
Why would anyone be proud of living in a tax haven? The whole point of being one is to profit a little off of a race to the bottom by undermining your neighbor's tax system by helping their wealthy be greedier.