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I still don’t understand what people have to gain from this line of thought and applying your skills to promoting it. Surely it’s an evolutionary and career dead end?


Maybe they simply have an opinion, like everyone else does. Do you really not understand why people think this:?

"“Again, with my tinfoil conspiracy hat on, these things all distance us and isolate us from each other and make us easier to control I think.”"

Just look at the common ideas about the increased security after 9/11. It was similar "conspiracy theories" about the government using terrorism as an excuse to spy on people until Snowden showed they actually were. It used to be popular to use the quote "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.". Surely you can understand why some people feel that way?

It's OK to not be a conformist and it's good that we have people brave enough to do so openly.


I can understand why that is the case. But I have also buried two members of my family. So quite frankly they can fuck off.

There’s a compromise somewhere in the middle in the grey area which is actually the situation that we’re in despite it being explained as black and white but these nut cases.

We also in this case have to consider cultural differences. America is obsessed with a somewhat bent and selfish form of personal Liberty which ends up as another lever on which compromise is impossible. Liberty for the other person is their right not to be harmed by your liberty as well don’t forget. America just ends up ending up having a right to the highest body count.


That assumes that there is some sort of intentional disinformation here.

It seems to me that this guy genuinely believes what he is saying.


Disinformation is intentional. There is no evidence provided in the article that anything presented is disinformation.

Guilt by tentative association seems to count as investigative journalism these days, but really it's just seeding a conspiracy.


Brexit and Trump-won were both driven by engines of disinformation. And there are plenty of other examples, from climate denial to examples that seem even more ridiculous today - like the smoking industry's campaign to pretend that smoking is safe and doesn't kill people.

If you trace the links you'll see the same names, the same organisations, and the same funding sources appearing again and again.

When someone lies consistently, it's irrational to conclude on the basis of no evidence at all that they've suddenly gone white hat and are now acting entirely in a public-spirited and wholly reputable way.


> Brexit and Trump-won were both driven by engines of disinformation.

Is that true or are you a victim of disinformation yourself? How do you know they would have lost had it not been for "engines of disinformation"? I'm not saying there wasn't disinformation used to promote them, but did they win because of it or despite it?


Trump's 4 year term is a convincing argument that people realised they'd been lied to. As is the rolling up of the people who stormed the capitol over disinformation.


Not sure what you mean by that. I'm pointing out that we don't know either Trump or Brexit won because of disinformation, yet people keep saying they did. I think that's because they've been fooled by disinformation themselves. The news and social media gives them a general feeling of causation but in reality, it's just a correlation.


People have more power when they form a group. And some will promote any conviction as long as it tips the scales in their favor. It's A/B testing driven politics.


There's money in it. An entire alternate world where you can say what you like without regard to the facts on the ground.


A lot of it is motivated by libertarianism. They don’t like the idea that the Government can unilaterally impose a form of house arrest on the entire population while mandating what people wear(masks) and who they can meet. I don’t agree, but I don’t think it’s an entirely crazy position either.


I agree with the viewpoint (somewhat).

I agree with mask mandates and commerce closures, but when the government starts making it illegal to meet my family, including outside and in own house, then that crosses a civil liberties line for me personally. A reasonable person could hold the opposite view. A reasonable person could hold the 'total lockdown' view. But if you hold the 'anti-lockdown' viewpoint you risk being told you have just been reading 'disinformation' these days. I don't see anti-lockdown as disinformation, that's a policy option.

I also don't see it as disinformation to believe that governments are utilising propaganda to either make Covid sound worse / better according to what fits their policy narrative - that's what governments do!

There is lots of genuine disinformation about Covid, but we have to be careful that we don't just brand opposing opinions as disinformation and fake news.

> The network is using tried and tested techniques of psychological propaganda to manipulate the public and cast pressure on governments. It has already arguably paved the way for more than 100,000 COVID-19 deaths in the UK – and will likely lead to many more.

Now ironically THIS is ACTUAL misinformation. To blame the 'network' for ALL Covid deaths in the UK is just ridiculous. I personally don't think the use of 'arguably' here absolves them from the fact the claim is clearly false.


And the position is multifaceted. I agree with the curfew but not with the business limitations, or at the very least not in the way they implemented it here trough a legislative decree, since the Italian Constitution is built around the right to work an has no exception for health issues.


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Unless you can show that any such person exists, you're just making them up. Even if they do exist, what's wrong with being opposed to a government imposed dress code while also having your own personal preference for how you like people to dress?




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