Sorry to go on a tangent, but gotta say, I'm impressed by the level of civility in the thread, and on this topic in particular. It's a rare sight in these troubled times.

I am kinda interested in the reading the discussion further though. But of course if you feel more comfortable taking it private I'd understand.

It's my goal to discuss civilly. But I'll have to find people who are willing to do that, rather than just wanting to push their views on others and denying that there are alternative legit points of view.

If you're interested, we could discuss privately too. Consider this an invitation to contact me.