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I would make this same argument in some cases but this is something with a clear route to action and would be a single piece of legislation to implement. I wouldn't call enforcing existing laws and hold up the basic tenets of our system "jumping to policy design".

Yes I understand the current system benefits a lot of stakeholders. I directly acknowledge that in my post. Unless you are saying the police are going to coup the government to prevent passing legislation here than there isn't much they could do if you got support for this legislation.



> It should be 5 years minimum in federal prison. Police should recieve drastically stronger charges and sentences when they violate the law, not the other way around. If someone above was found to have known about it and didn't report it should be 2x.

This is an attempt at policy design. It sounds reasonable, but in all likelihood you are not an expert, which is important not because of credentials, but because it would have provided us with the expertise to make an informed decision. How much would it cost to implement and operate, paid by whom, at what percentage we would expect to see an improvement, by what target metric, would there be any side effects etc. Just because it seems like a clear route of action and a single piece of legislation doesn’t mean it is simple, and it doesn’t get a free pass because it sounds nice.

> Unless you are saying the police are going to coup the government to prevent passing legislation here than there isn't much they could do if you got support for this legislation

That is not about what the opposition could do, but again about the framing of the problem. Firstly, assuming police is your main opposition is overly simplistic and mostly wrong. Sure, police will be after their own self interest, but they are given that power because it aligns with other interests. Secondly, thinking that it is on us to debate and think about piecemeal legislations to fix things is already a sign of grave imbalance. You have a right to demand “think about this and fix it” from your policymakers, who already are in contact with an army of experts. The fact that you think it is on to you to take this action means whatever mechanism we use to choose and hold those policymakers accountable is drifting towards not working well. That is a more important root cause than any pet policy people feel passionate about. In fact, it is the perfect hangout for a false sense of agency and distraction, while things are rotten at a much much deeper level.

We think we are doing good by participating in democratic processes in this way, but parameters of our participation has been altered way before this particular issue. I suggest focusing on those higher order parameters than tweaking a variable here and there.




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