Sure there is, Kotlin users typically bash Java and how much better it is, so I am waiting for JetBrains to release KVM, Kotlin/Native so far loses in all frontends against AOT Java based toolchains.
I dont understand the selling point for a Kotlin VM or Native compilation
Isnt the whole selling point for Kotlin, is that it is a JVM hosted languages, that give you access to all Java Libraries, framework and tools .. but purportedly .. is an easier, nicer , more language language compared to Java, Scala or the other JVM languages
Why go elsewhere, why go native, or develop their own VM ?
Any improvement in the JVM benefits Kotlin, correct or am I missing something ?
Apparently no, that is why they started Kotlin/Native instead of ping back into AOT compilers for Java, and in Kotlin forums tends to exist an high disregard for anything Java.
Actually the story I heard is that Kotlin/Native exists simply because Intel was laying off a compiler team in St Petersburg around that time, so they came on the market as a group and could be picked up easily and quickly. And they wanted to push into iOS.
Could they have done a SubstrateVM/GraalVM competitor instead? Yeah probably, but that's a very different project to adding another backend to Kotlin. Given they already decided to make Kotlin "multi-platform" (i.e. js backend) instead of making Java more portable, it then made sense to go the whole way.
JetBrains also developed TeaVM and arguably it'd have been better to just invest in JVM related tooling, and keep Kotlin as a JVM language. But I think they like the idea of it being its own ecosystem. Who wouldn't, in their position?
That doesn't sound right. Why would Kotlin programmers dislike the JVM platform just because it tends to be implemented in Java (and C++)?
The Python and Lua interpreters are written in C. V8 is written in C++, SpiderMonkey in C/C++. The Rust compiler backend is LLVM, written in C++. The GNAT Ada compiler is powered by GCC, written in C. So what? These implementations work fine.
Directly competing with the JVM makes little sense. Countless millions of dollars of effort have been poured into OpenJDK.
Apparently they do, otherwise the forums wouldn't be full with Java this and Java that.
Somehow those Kotlin devs have missed the boat that JVMs implementations have between 80% and 100% Java code, depending on which implementation from the top 10 JVMs one is talking about.
You're basically trolling at this point. Java the language has major shortcomings, including an absolutely neutered and broken type system. Kotlin is an improvement, but still limited by its Java roots.
The JVM is a specific product. When people criticize Java, they are almost always only referring to the language called "Java".
Ah, that is what Google is doing for them.