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The CDC guidelines regarding masks have no science behind them. They are not established to protect anyone from Coronaviruses, any yet the effect of their mask guideline is we have millions of people driving their cars and walking _outdoors_ breathing significantly elevated CO2 levels and significantly lowering their blood oxygen content.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23206415



Most people who contract the virus are asymptomatic, and they spread the virus without even realizing that they have it. It seems quite obvious that if we encourage everyone to wear masks (including the asymptomatic carriers), we can greatly reduce the number of transmissions. We know the virus transmits through airborne droplets, and science is pretty clear that masks reduce the spread of those droplets.



Citation needed.

"The importance of these findings is that a drop in oxygen levels (hypoxia) is associated with an impairment in immunity. Studies have shown that hypoxia can inhibit the type of main immune cells used to fight viral infections called the CD4+ T-lymphocyte. This occurs because the hypoxia increases the level of a compound called hypoxia inducible factor-1 (HIF-1), which inhibits T-lymphocytes and stimulates a powerful immune inhibitor cell called the Tregs. . This sets the stage for contracting any infection, including COVID-19 and making the consequences of that infection much graver. In essence, your mask may very well put you at an increased risk of infections and if so, having a much worse outcome."

5 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26179900/

6 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28278498/

7 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3583916/


That is not how gases work. Anyone who took high school chemistry can shred the absurd reasoning this quack is pushing. Also he's a retired "nutritional researcher" so uh...


Which cited study are you disagreeing with?

"In this study, researchers examined the blood oxygen levels in 53 surgeons using an oximeter. They measured blood oxygenation before surgery as well as at the end of surgeries.4 The researchers found that the mask reduced the blood oxygen levels (pa02) significantly. The longer the duration of wearing the mask, the greater the fall in blood oxygen levels." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18500410/


Sorry, but the study you linked is not doing your argument any favor:

""" Conclusions: Considering our findings, pulse rates of the surgeon's increase and SpO2 decrease after the first hour. This early change in SpO2 may be either due to the facial mask or the operational stress. Since a very small decrease in saturation at this level, reflects a large decrease in PaO2, our findings may have a clinical value for the health workers and the surgeon """

Assuming the oxygenation levels are down because of the mask and not stress influencing your breathing (let's abandon occam's razor for now [0]), this "after the first hour" bit can tell you that maybe the word "significant" just mean that this is measurable and not dangerous? i mean if you drop from 97.5 to 95 over 4 hours, this is significant. Will that have an impact on you?

Moreover blood oxygenation do not drop linearly. If your body consider the oxygenation too low, your pulse will quicken, you will breath harder. Your body will try to keep your oxygen level high harder and harder.

This study only concerned surgeons who are often healthier than the average population. Would this have been done on people with lung issues with oxygen in low 90s high 80s, yes this would have been concerning.

Again ignoring the stress factor. And as long as the most plausible explanation is not overruled, it should prevail as any rational person will tell you. So this premise is false, or at least not proven (yet) and therefore even if your argument was good, the conclusion can be false.

[0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12931769/ (first link i found on pubmed)


So your saying stay home then.

Interesting.


There is no reason to stay home, and no I'm not. Just FYI I'm in AZ and about 1/2 of the people in the market I frequent have the pointless masks on.


Why not direct your rebellious contrarian energy somewhere it might actually count, rather than raging against common sense?


Bloodletting was common sense too.

COMMENTARY: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commenta...




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