> My music is in Spotify and Apple Music, my video is Netflix and Amazon Prime and Apple+
Does Spotify somehow integrate with Apple Music and Netflix with Apple+? Because, if not, your counterargument is just "there's no walled garden because I'm outside it".
Spotify, Netflix, Google, Kindle, etc work on both platforms. Apple stuff doesn't. That's the definition of "walled garden", that you can't use Android and still use any Apple stuff.
FWIW Apple Music does work on android, reasonably well too. I switched to that when it became apparent that Google Play Music is a dead product, soon to be sent to the glue factory.
Do you know if Apple Music is available on Windows? I know iTunes has been on Windows for years, so I assume it supported Apple Music initially, just like on the Mac?
One reason I use Apple Music over Spotify is that Apple Music is entirely supported by paying customers rather than by ads. This aligns thier incentives more closely to mine.
Spotify was a hassle when I tried to sign up for an account (I don't recall exactly, it's been a few months, but some sort of technical glitch), and I didn't have enough desire to chase it down just so I could give them my money. So I've stuck with Apple Music because I can't justify to myself or my wife (we have a family plan) how Spotify would be an improvement. I was willing to try it out because my Tesla has a built-in player for Spotify, but I've just been using the Tesla streaming instead (when not Apple Music) and I'm happy with it.
I was using it because it had voice command support and Spotify didn't. Was pretty important when 100% of my use was while driving. I think that's changed and Spotify has support now but I don't know how smooth that is.
I don't use spotify for a few reasons. Primarily being I can't add my own music to my library and stream it (you kinda can but it's sub-optimal), second being comfort and usability. You can't easily rearrange your play queue in spotify, while apple music and GPM make this quite easy (including "play next" and "play later" for adding to the front and back of the queue). I find radio stations much better on Apple Music and GPM, Spotify's radio stations/algorithm just don't do it for me.
no ads plus much much more music, especially if you’re into subgenres of electronic music. i haven’t found a song yet that i haven’t found on apple music. they were one of the (if not the) original music store after all
>Does Spotify somehow integrate with Apple Music and Netflix with Apple+? Because, if not, your counterargument is just "there's no walled garden because I'm outside it".
No, my argument is "there's no walled garden because with subscriptions there are no walls to close you in".
Apple Music is a subscription, you move to Spotify or Pandora or Youtube Music or whatever and that's that. You don't have the loss of your music or whatever locking you down to either OSX/iOS or even Apple Music alone as the parent said. That would be an argument back when music was DRM files you have bought and which would have stopped working outside Apple's ecosystem.
Ditto of course for Netflix, Mail, etc.
The closest you can get to the "walled garden" is iBooks -- Kindle wont display books you've bought there. But you can trivially just use Kindle app on macOS/iOS and problem solved. Apple's not forcing you to use iBooks.
> You don't have the loss of your music or whatever
You just lose playlist and ratings
> you can trivially just use Kindle app on macOS/iOS
Except Apple cripples features of the Kindle app (you cannot buy books through the app because if you did, Apple would demand a 30% cut that represents all of the Amazon profits) that are not crippled in Apple's own offering.
Yes, so peanuts (most people don't even use ratings according to some article I've read - it's for the OCD music nerds, not the millions who just listen to hits and might or might not add some playlists - of which they don't really obsess over).
>Except Apple cripples features of the Kindle app (you cannot buy books through the app because if you did, Apple would demand a 30% cut that represents all of the Amazon profits) that are not crippled in Apple's own offering.
That would be Amazon's crippling it, as it's their choice. They could pay that 30% cut. They themselves demand a 65% cut from authors and publishers at worst case, and 30% (same as Apple) at best.
And again, both very ho-hum example of barriers to move platform.
If stuff like "I'll lose my playlists" is what prevents someone from leaving Apple, then that's the most open walled garden ever...
Your reply here seems to try to twist the thread to a point where all uses of 'open' or 'non-walled' has to equate FOSS or EFF ideals, while you probably know that is neither feasible nor what is being discussed. It feels like you're intentionally acting obtuse at this point.
>No, it was sarcastically reducing the argument to an absurdity.
No, it was just a snark with no point. Reductio ad absurdum is a totally different mechanism.
Besically you just shifted the goalposts from the original claim that you're locked to Apple's platforms if you use Apple TV music.
to,
[it might be available on other platforms] but it's not FOSS, haha
when it was pointed to you that your original claim is false and Apple TV is available for platforms like Roku and Samsung.
The rest, accusing the parent of trolling, is just rude. He provided a counter-argument with actual information (that Apple TV is also available in Samsung and Roku).
actually it looks like you’re the troll, and copping out to the “not gonna reply cause i’m obviously wrong and lack further supporting arguments” statement. apple is opening their walled garden up, both music and apple tv plus are available on other platforms now. for the majority this gives us confidence in buying into their platform, knowing we can take our content with us should we decide we no longer want their devices.
how about the $5k or so in media i have in googles ecosystem? their apps are literally garbage on ios and i had to resort to using youtube to watch content i paid for. even this didn’t work after some time as i have so much media even the youtube app started timing out when loading my purchases. there is no compatible format for ios, so you gotta use their garbage apps. it became such a huge problem that i bought everything that moviesanywhere didn’t already give me over again on itunes store just so i could have an actual file and, you know, actually watch the content i bought. google is substantially worse in their walled garden attempts
read my post again, you clearly don’t have enough media to be a problem. on all devices both the google play app and youtube timeout or lock the device up due to the amount of media i have. garbage is an understatement considering how much i spent with them and that I can’t even view any of it anymore without watching on a full desktop / laptop
Does Spotify somehow integrate with Apple Music and Netflix with Apple+? Because, if not, your counterargument is just "there's no walled garden because I'm outside it".
Spotify, Netflix, Google, Kindle, etc work on both platforms. Apple stuff doesn't. That's the definition of "walled garden", that you can't use Android and still use any Apple stuff.