There's a difference between "We're writing your name down in a spreadsheet" and the inevitable "Your facial structure is being processed by a private company that is absolutely going to share with anyone who asks" that happens with the types of companies that contract with schools.
Even assuming that they were decent companies, the Fed has shown a tendency to force companies to give up fingerprints, DNA, and so on: there's no chance that they wouldn't do the same for facial recognition data.
And who says everything must always be taken to the extreme?
Your only proposals were extremely extreme, and neither of them were particularly rare desires for this tech.
Just because facial recognition technology exists don't mean it will always abused.
Sure, like I said, there are some useless uses of it, too, like facial unlocking. What you're proposing is an abuse, however.
Is it so bad I want a [Raspberry Pi] attached to a camera that can auto-update the [Google Doc] for me?
While your proposed use, facial recognition for presumably-consenting adults, is more mundane than the initial two proposals, I spent an hour looking for an example of facial recognition that was accurate and detailed enough to tell the difference between individuals that ran on a Raspberry Pi, and came up blank. It seems as if the hardware is too underpowered to do so (or, at least, the current tooling is too bloated to), which means that you'd end up processing it in the cloud or similar, which would still mean their data was leaving your control; that is pretty bad, I'd say.
> There's a difference between "We're writing your name down in a spreadsheet" and the inevitable "Your facial structure is being processed by a private company that is absolutely going to share with anyone who asks" that happens with the types of companies that contract with schools.
I don't see why that is inevitable. My high school in 2007 had its own IT team and kept all of its data on-premises (this was before "the cloud", but still, you could just mandate that all facial recognition models have to be stored/processed on-premises).
> Even assuming that they were decent companies, the Fed has shown a tendency to force companies to give up fingerprints, DNA, and so on: there's no chance that they wouldn't do the same for facial recognition data.
Yeah, it's called warrants. I don't see what is wrong with that. If the FBI wants to know if a student was in school on a certain day, I don't see how a warrant for checking facial recognition logs is any different from checking a manually maintained spreadsheet, other than the latter being more error prone.
> I spent an hour looking for an example of facial recognition that was accurate and detailed enough to tell the difference between individuals that ran on a Raspberry Pi, and came up blank
I haven't done it yet, but this seemed good enough for my purposes[1]? As far as I can tell, that runs completely on a pi with no cloud resources...
> which would still mean their data was leaving your control; that is pretty bad, I'd say.
Even if I needed to use cloud compute, I take issue with your phrasing. I don't believe people "own" information about themselves. If we are both in public, and I take a picture of you, write down facts about you, or otherwise observe you, I have not stolen anything of yours, and I do not need your consent to have done so.
There's a difference between "We're writing your name down in a spreadsheet" and the inevitable "Your facial structure is being processed by a private company that is absolutely going to share with anyone who asks" that happens with the types of companies that contract with schools.
Even assuming that they were decent companies, the Fed has shown a tendency to force companies to give up fingerprints, DNA, and so on: there's no chance that they wouldn't do the same for facial recognition data.
And who says everything must always be taken to the extreme?
Your only proposals were extremely extreme, and neither of them were particularly rare desires for this tech.
Just because facial recognition technology exists don't mean it will always abused.
Sure, like I said, there are some useless uses of it, too, like facial unlocking. What you're proposing is an abuse, however.
Is it so bad I want a [Raspberry Pi] attached to a camera that can auto-update the [Google Doc] for me?
While your proposed use, facial recognition for presumably-consenting adults, is more mundane than the initial two proposals, I spent an hour looking for an example of facial recognition that was accurate and detailed enough to tell the difference between individuals that ran on a Raspberry Pi, and came up blank. It seems as if the hardware is too underpowered to do so (or, at least, the current tooling is too bloated to), which means that you'd end up processing it in the cloud or similar, which would still mean their data was leaving your control; that is pretty bad, I'd say.