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the whole kotlin debate is just a misguided stab at solving the pain that is programming for android.

everyone everywhere hates android dev work. so they think that it must be java. no, java sucks, but kotlin sucks just the same. the problem is the android ecosystem as a whole. the ever changing apis. etc.

wasting time on java vs kotlin is absurd with so many other real problems.



God, what a useless post. If you don't like Android development don't waste your time with it.


Criticism can be useful if constructive.


But that criticism wasn't constructive, so...


it was constructive in the sense that the debate waste time from the real issue. But feel free to keep adding noise and fighting for syntax sugar.


Probably everyone will try to hide your comment but that's the truth, there hasn't been a worse ecosystem than Android, learning the Android SDK it's so painful that even if they choose a decent language like Python to support it won't change the fact that the APIs would still be called in the same way, just look at the examples, same just sugar-coated flavor: https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-examples/blob/master/gra... vs https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-examples/blob/master/gra...


What is wrong with that example?


It is 98% scaffolding and ceremony. The exposed android API is just red tape, that is exposed for no good reason. Good API only expose what matters.




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