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"Nobody has done more research on this than the US Military, specifically the special operations community. The key takeaways that you find in very effective SOF teams are:"

This is insightful, though comparing SOF teams and commercial work teams fails in the critical areas of complex interdependency and trust. [0],[1]

I think what this google study highlights most is, candidates are not selected for man management and emotional robustness: ie: emotional honesty, self awareness and the ability to equally lead and follow. This cannot be taught. Emotions are traits. They can be shaped somewhat through team assignment as shown with the experience of Matt Sakaguchi.

[0] Barbara D. Adams, Ph.D. and Robert D.G. Webb, Ph.D., "Trust in Small Military Teams" A great read on the qualities of complex interdependent teams ~ http://www.dodccrp.org/events/7th_ICCRTS/Tracks/pdf/006.PDF

[1] You fail, people around you get dead. Those around you fail, visa versa. The mission is compromised. You do not see sacrifice & self sacrifice like this in commercial world.



> emotional honesty, self awareness and the ability to equally lead and follow. This cannot be taught. Emotions are traits.

At the very least - [citation needed]. The medical community seems to disagree on that when it comes to teaching self awareness, at least for the majority of students[1][2].

I'm not sure what you mean by "emotional honesty", so it's hard to reply to that. If that's the equivalent of emotional intelligence - yes, that is teachable. Quite well.

[1] http://www.bpsmedicine.msu.edu/pdf/22-%20%20ctstudypstrng.pd... [2] http://www.aacp.org/resources/education/cape/Documents/Habit...


"emotional honesty"

Emotional honesty is pretty simple. Will you speak up when necessary, even if it contradicts peers or the leader? What was the last time you told the boss, "this is a stupid idea Boss, change it, or this will happen" and then the boss does so without recrimination? Remember the outcome, not ego matters.

As for the field of medicine, of which I know nothing about, in Melbourne (Aus), selection into health sciences is filtered by both self awareness, emotional maturity and smarts via both academic results, independent Uni examination (Monash) and panel interview. This the "spectrum" filter for those sufficiently smart enough to get through the academics, yet are more suited to research.

Could you teach MDs to program and work at google? Probably. Could you teach the clinical skills MDs require to make medical decisions on patients to Google SEs? Probably not.

Doctors work with people. Google engineers work with languages and data on silicon.


As it turns out, Google engineers maybe don't work with people, but they sure work with a lot of other Google engineers ;) The idea that software engineering is a solitary activity done in a cave by antisocial hermits is at least 20 years out of date - so let's let it go.

But that aside - your reply has nothing to do with what the studies I shared demonstrated: Emotional awareness is teachable. Your idea that it isn't seems entirely based on your personal assumptions. (If you have actual evidence, please share)

As for "emotional honesty" - that's pretty much the same as honesty, no? There's no emotional component to it.


It sounds like the requirements for becoming a doctor in Australia are quite a bit different than those in the US.


Why is it "emotional" honesty? What differentiates it from plain honesty?




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