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I'm looking to get a new phone from Apple (mainly for the new camera). I'm just waiting for them to make a smaller phone again!


I (and many people I know) would stand against this internment and join protests in the streets to put pressure on the government to reverse such a ridiculous blanket action. Regardless of what the government does to preserve their self interests and power, these actions are wrong and I will do what I can in my power to oppose them.


You realize that there is no blanket action and 95% of Muslims and Uyghurs aren't arrested? Don't just listen to propaganda. Millions of Uyghurs are living regular lives. The current top actress in China is a Uyghur, an Uyghur just won the Rap of China, the situation is nowhere close to Japanese internment. The people targeted are the ones who had suspected contact with Wahhabist extremists. The process is non-transparent and probably incompetently executed but that's a function of China's immature and authoritarian justice system.


Given that "China is locking up Uyghurs" is the title used pretty much everywhere, I think you may be onto something. :)


Was that the right action to take? Do you agree with that decision?


As I've said below when there's a media blitz from one geopolitical sphere of influence about the actions of another sphere, when those exact actions have happened in the past in the first sphere, and as far as we can tell would happen in the future I get very worried. That generally gets used to harm way more people than the original action.

And that goes double in cases where there's very low levels of information out of the area.


When training and development are mandates like forcible shaving of beards and forcing pork/alcohol upon these people, it's less about training/development and more about erasing individuality, religion, and thoughts that don't conform to the nation-state. This may be less violent than directly killing these people, but it's just as cruel and the world should meet such cruelty with resistance.


This is likely because the Uyghurs were discriminated against and monitored/abused similar to how US combat operations in the Middle East produced instability and collateral damage, making it easy to recruit people to the cause.

I highly doubt that one day this minority just decided to start attacking people randomly. It would take a crazy person to do something like this in China where the Communist government is known for making people disappear without trials or explanations, so it bears thinking about what would drive these people to be so desperate.

Do I support the attacks? Of course not, but I understand why they occur.


It all makes sense but how does it happen that people born and raised in western countries (Belgium, UK, France, US) became terrorists? People don't need to be desperate to become loyal to some movement/faith(i.e. terrorism). They believe all kind of fairy tales without being desperate.


This is because they read these stories of desperation and identify with the oppressed. Don't get me wrong, the Taliban is also twisted in many ways and evil at the core - but they're on message and know how to exploit oppression to entice others to join. The only way they're able to do this though, is for the oppression to occur in the first place.


> I highly doubt that one day this minority just decided to start attacking people randomly

you must know that that happened quite a few times in last ten years, like 2009, a lot of innocent people died.


I'm sure, and that's an abomination. Violence is never the right means, but an entire minority does not become violent on their own until they feel they are desperate enough to perform these attacks in some futile effort to preserve things (culture) that means something to them or revenge for abusive actions taken against them.

If China was peacefully coexisting with them and allowing them to perform their religion freely, it makes no sense that they would feel the need to attack random civilians.


Would you say the same thing about those from Muslim countries who have engaged in terrorist activities against the US? Many of them travelled half of the globe over to carry out the attack and many were willing to sacrifice their own lives.


that's always what Western talked about the terrorism attacks in China. If the same thing happened in China, it's not terrorist, but fighting for freedom, while, if it happened in any west countries, it called extremist terrorism. If you don't care innocent Chinese people, why they would care your opinion? Who give your right to ignore the death of hundreds civilian's to maintain a fake peaceful appearance.


Said attacks were spontaneous reactions to racist treatments that pushed the people over the edge. The gov response was in turn over the top and further exacerbated the situation. People were fighting... _for their lives__.


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