how do explain other governments funding efforts to copy spacex without success, its easy to hand wave away peoples efforts and achievements with hindsight
enjoy the snap reaction brain drain as entrepreneurs move their efforts offshore, people are being disingenuous by saying its as simple as deciding to nationalise a company everyone said would fail and who china and Europe are desperately trying to emulate, all over retaliatory statements, be careful what sort of government behaviour you normalise because you happen to be on the winning side of that behaviour, seasons change
If everything is automated then where do people work?
If only some things are automated, then yes those places will have an advantage when it comes to labor costs, but they will use it to pad their profit margin.
Factory X employs humans ands sells widgets for $100, but their costs are $90, so profit is $10.
Factory Y is automated and they have costs of $10. Do they sell their widget at $30, thus earning a handsome profit of $20? No, they charge $90 and earn an obscene profit of $80. The worker gets screwed, the shareholders get richer.
This whole thing only works if workers have ownership in the corporation, but that's gasp socialism and we can't have that.
the same places they work now, displacing foreign workers shouldn’t effect American workers?
if the goods are made and exported from American factories the owners of those factories will be increasing the local, state and federal tax bases, how is that not an improvement over offshoring production?
workers are currently being screwed by globalist companies offshoring production and also using that as a way to offshore profits also, i doubt any workers will shed tears if that stops.
socialism as you described is fine, not sure how its relevant in this case, its perfectly legal to start coops and they exist even in the tech world, most people dont seek them out and it appears they underperform their peers, where are all the major coop tech companies?
> “It's gonna be nice if we can finally get American companies to actually support America and pay citizens what they're worth.”
Posters are skeptical because prices will raise across the board for these good. You ask:
> “what if they are largely automated”
If that’s the case, and they work where they work now as you say, then Americans will just get poorer as things become more expensive due to tariffs. The factory owner is keeps all the protectionist profits. Maybe some of that goes back into the tax base but we know these types are good at paying 0% taxes.
The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. That’s why socialism is relevant, because that’s the system under which this idea at a national scale actually helps workers, whereas this idea under capitalism helps mainly capitalists. Which is why I’m so confused because you keep talking about workers in your post, but that’s not who this is for.
surely this doesnt account for the robotaxi coverage, seriously doubt the robot taxis will support the same coverage as a tesla does (everything) most likely be limited to major cities youd imagine?
To me, in terms of Tesla "putting their money where their mouth is" for automated driving, there are two things they've yet to do, and I'll believe it when I see it.
1) Take on any (even limited amount / limited use case / limited region) liability when FSD, the way Mercedes already has.
2) Actually launch Robotaxi for really real, at any sort of scale, the way Waymo has
Right now its the same situation its been for years & years - a lot of talk, and FSD cannot fail.. only be failed, by the driver.
That is - if it crashes, the driver failed to intervene. But if the driver intervenes & complains about frequency of interventions, the response is that the driver probably is too conservative and intervenes too often.. that the car wouldn't have crashed anyway. Circular logic.
Actually, they've taken on liability just from shipping FSD, under the normal rules of legal product liability. They just didn't build a PR campaign around the fact that manufacturers are fully liable from product defects.
Their lawyers would in any specific case look to find a loophole providing an out, but I’m guessing that, even given Elon’s close association with Trump and the latter’s problems with selecting lawyers, Tesla probably hires lawyers that are familiar with the basic rules of product liability.
as a foreigner to the us i am investing heavily in the us, there is a pathway where the legal and social changes could result in considerable economic benefit over the next two years. you should consider how that could occur before waving it off ideologically. i am coming from an investment point of view and am largely agnostic of the politics.
I'd unironically be interested in hearing what economic benefit you think is coming in the next two years?
The nonsense tariffs being thrown at allies and uncoordinated destruction of government foreign aid/social services seem like net negatives to me. I could see the United States Bitcoin reserve thing bumping up the value of crypto, but that whole space is so volatile I would only put in money I'm willing to lose.
Please share your investment prospectus with us. What is the pathway and what economic benefit do you see down the line? I would love to reallocate my investments in my country, but the road we're on right now, I see it only ending worse off
can you make a savings account that auto holds my money in index funds extends me short term credit and pays debt through selling the underlying assets
