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why? Most regulations (ADA, affirmative action, etc.) fall into the "not woke enough" category of model regulation. Current administration aside, complaints of this sort are more likely. It’s absurd, really, to believe there would be a regulation governing a model being too woke; regulation itself is woke


> Most regulations (ADA, affirmative action, etc.) fall into the "not woke enough" category of model regulation

For sake of argument, let’s assume this is true. Those rules are still structured as laws, with boundaries and legal recourse. The precedent being set, that the President gets “voluntary” deference from private companies, is un-American and will be abused by the left.


I don't think I'm smart/intellectual enough to respond to this

or i just don't understand what you're saying


The ADA isn't about wokeness. It's about being able to live in society with a disability.


Limiting a business's ability to exist because they can't afford to accommodate a small percentage of the population is 100% about wokeness


Well, we've just now defined safety rules, health codes, paying taxes, and the like as "woke".

You'd be calling the First Amendment woke if we proposed it now.


"Woke" is just a dog whistle. It's used by anti-intellectuals on the right to signal their allegiance to whatever their dear leader says, and is used to say "I am triggered by this idea" regardless of what the idea is. Anything can be woke to these people, up to and including the 2nd Amendment.


it is actually perfect, you hear or read “woke” you can immediately turn around and know the level of intelligence in front of you requires immediate extraction from any further proceedings :)


The terrifying thing is that we can't just ignore it anymore, though. These people are wielding the power of the world at a time of global crises.


it is the people that are buying the BS though… those wielding power will say whatever the F they want to rile up the people but end of the day it is the people buying this.

the outmost funny thing to me glancing at this from the sidelines (I stopped following news and am generally largely disconnected from “politics”) is that people that are buying the “woke” garbage are not realizing they voted for the most woke there is. entire current administration is DEI hires (this is literal, every single person working is DEI hire), cancel culture is raging, if they could they would cancel 50% of the population (this is especially funny to me, shows you how “small” people are), you got billions of dollars literally being stolen in broad daylight while bitching about nancy pelosi, you got two president’s sons pillaging the country while bitching about hunter’s laptop… so fascinating to watch america slowly disintegrate into what has become


Watching from the sidelines isn't disconnecting from politics, it's supporting the status quo. Please reconsider your position.


Taxes? How?

I agree with the rest, sure.

Health codes and safety rules are woke, yes. I would have thought that as given. Debates over where you draw the line are absolutely a matter of wokeness.

The way freedom of expression is regulated today is generally woke. The WPFI is insanely woke.


> Taxes? How?

They, at times, "[limit] a business's ability to exist because they can't afford to accommodate a small percentage of the population".

> Health codes and safety rules are woke, yes.

I take it you never read the parable of the boy who cried wolf.


getting the vibe that english isn't your first language, and don't feel like arguing theough a language barrier

i don't begin to understand either of these points

fwiw i'm woke, happy to be woke, encourage wokeness


> getting the vibe that english isn't your first language

Well, that's a first for me.

Alternate theory: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48023653


Every business has a threshold tax rate beyond which it ceases to be viable. Herego, for every tax rate there are businesses right below that threshold that are taxed out of existence.


> Debates over where you draw the line are absolutely a matter of wokeness.

This is offensive in how trite it is


ADA preceeded wokeness by at least 2 decades


are you talking about a single prompt that runs for 24 hours or 8 hours of developer time spent in a single session?


No duplicate the whole task e.g. I use grill-me skill for planning and it takes me ~3 hours and CC asks me 20-40 questions. Do the same grill-me with this and compare the outcomes. I admit Its quite a lot of work to duplicate, but i am really itching to do this over a few tasks and compare the final plan. Just need the time.


maybe long term vs. short term is the key idea. apple, for example, could rake in bountiful measures in the short term if they ventured away from their boutique-electronic-consumer-goods niche. in the long run it would hurt their bottom line to do so


6 tracks have made the Billboard charts. That's a pretty definitive signal that people are listening to AI music.

Where to draw the line on what is/isn't AI is a rabbit hole in and of itself. You'd have a hard time convincing me that people aren't using AI to build the most powerful DSP plugins. I've been very pleasantly surprised by how easy it is to make very music-useful tools with Faust and Codex.

https://www.billboard.com/lists/ai-artists-on-billboard-char...


You'll notice in the article they mention that these AI artists got into the charts thanks to 1,000 downloads sold. 1,000 is a comically easy number to game; that's US$1,000, tops, and far less if you pay for false downloads from SEA and such where prices are lower.

As a concrete example of how gamed these are, look at one of the examples from the article, Enlly Blue[0]. The video for the song mentioned in the article, Through My Soul, has 10 million views. All four of her (its?) most recent videos over the past 1 month: 2.2k views, 3.3k views, 2.1k views, 2.1k views. The views stop coming when the creator stops spending.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/@EnllyBlueOfficial/videos


One of the problems is that it's hard to tell at first that it's AI music. Probably still hard to figure it out by ear after you've been told. But I think not nearly as many people would choose to listen to AI songs if they knew they were AI.

There's a reason it can succeed as it is now. Making music that is catchy to our ears is fairly formulaic. It's easy fot AI to do the same. But if they start labeling which music is AI and which isn't, it probably won't succeed as well.

I was pretty pissed and considered canceling my Spotify Premium after the first time I'd realized I'd been duped by AI songs. I just report them any time I see them now. If they gave me a settings option to block all AI music I'd be fine.


I'm put in mind of the Merchandise Marks Act 1887 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany#History - which ultimately did the opposite of what it was expected to do. There is a real chance here that people just want to listen to something that sounds nice and aren't that fussed about whether a human is involved.

Besides, people seem to go in pretty strongly with computers to tune the sound already. It wouldn't be that shocking if people were already listening to works that can only be made with the aid of a computer.


why does it matter to you if it's AI or not? if you enjoy a song you shouldn't resent it just because it's AI generated. Me personally there's many AI songs that I like and enjoy listening to.


Because I care about art being a human endeavor. AI doesn't create art, it regurgitates an unidentifiable goop churned together in its stomach by all the crap its eaten. There is no thought. There is no feeling. There is no meaning. If you only care about the sound, that's cool, enjoy it, but I don't.


It is debatable what thoughts and feelings went into the music of Wesley Willis, of "Whip The Llama's Ass" fame, despite him being human.


rock over london rock on chicago! pontiac we build driving excitement


When a human makes a I IV V it's art

When a machine does it, soulless


How many tracks didn't make it to the Billboard charts?


we're measuring if people are listening to AI music, not what percentage of AI music is slop


gonna push back on this

i don't see a relationship betwern criticism and the chance of automation/replacement

the harshest critics that i see tend to be, almost ubiquitously, creatives

perhaps just my walk of life


There's a reason the "creatives" are called the "chattering class"


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