6 is possible. Just did it. Less is possible. Hitting a wall gives you a vertical impulse. That can be used.

Then it's allowed.

I thought the whole value proposition of this thing was supposed to be that the interface is "natural" human language. If interact with it using a structured and specified language... then what are we doing exactly? Is this AI? Maybe we just re-invented GraphQL or something?

The argument is getting old in the sense that it was first used longer and longer ago.

However, it's still just as applicable as ever. Perhaps more.

> Does it matter if it is "stochastic" or does it matter if it is correct?

In this case, we can only determine whether it's correct after it's too late to do anything about it. So if it was correct, we can say it didn't matter, but only in retrospect.

> In this case, we can only determine whether it's correct after it's too late to do anything about it.

If only there was a mental concept of doing things correctly the first time. At the very worst manageable.

I understand your comment but I am tired of babysitting people to have some “cop on” and it is just getting worse. I’m a bit despondent.

Despite the well-established mental concept of doing things correctly the first time, mistakes continue to be made. Perhaps by people unaware of the mental concept.

I don't know what "cop on" means.

I've been feeling a bit despondent about the situation as well.

I'm not going to get forced.

But also because it has a negative connotation. Not with everyone, but with a lot of people. If someone says "That looks like AI", do you think they are intending to make a compliment?

Yeah that comment is making it seem like people don't care if they are using AI only the results, but they not only do care they actively hate AI and tech companies associated with it too.

There is a reason why there is a massive backlash against data center buildouts across the US.

While I agree with your assessment, these data centers cause substantial noise and water pollution-- even if people didn't have a problem with AI the data centers would be a problem for people.

Perfect for idea people. All the value is in the prompt. Ideas are important, not execution. A decade or two ago, they would have been looking for a technical co-founder.

For some of us it is, I suppose as an alternate view to AI booster-ism, particularly if you think the long term effects would be mostly negative.

Hello world is a spec. The spec says to produce the text hello world on standard output.

Try running it without a compatible ABI. See how far you get.

Not sure what the point is. We can update the spec with "in the presence of a compatible ABI".

All I'm saying is a program isn't VHS. It's a VHS tape. At that point it's largely philosophy. Can you reconstruct a VHS format from a VHS tape? Sure.

For non trivial uses it wouldn't be a great spec. But I think we can bring our worlds together with a bit of boilerplate.

> The system shall have behavior identical to that expressed by the system created by the following source code. [add some stuff about environment to taste]

Elon doesn't need SpaceX to exist.