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IIRC, it takes just as much energy to reach L4 (or L5) as to reach the Moon--they're in the same orbit.

If you've got settlers on the Moon, or beyond the Earth-Moon system, L4 is probably a good place to build a commercial and industrial outpost; but, for your only space installation, something lower down is much cheaper.


I'm talking about earth sun Lagrange points. Those wouldn't be orbiting the moon.


Back at Netscape, Jim Barksdale hated the term "browser war", on the grounds that a war justifies extreme behavior. He didn't want us believing the browser war meant we should be breaking the normal rules.


>Seriously if AT&T doing this, there is no reason to believe that other providers do not.

The article says AT&T has the data for any telco that uses AT&T switches. This is a little odd, given that the company currently known as AT&T is not the same company that used to manufacture switches; but, if this has been going on for 26 years, I suppose the government would have insisted it continue across corporate splits and mergers.


IIRC, lots of other companies selling telecom use AT&T infrastructure (infrastructure owned by AT&T now, not infrastructure built by a different company called AT&T in the past.) There are a much greater number of companies that you can buy local and long-distance service from than companies that actually operate the physical infrastructure.

I suspect that current infrastructure is the "AT&T switches" that are relevant here.


That makes more sense, thanks.


ARM doesn't make anything physical--but neither do most software companies. ARM makes products that their customers actually want. Patent trolls don't.


If LR operated as described in the indictment, it didn't really have information about its customers, so those records might not have been all that useful.


All it would take is a little bit of technological imagination.


paddy_m said browser engine, so Chromium doesn't count. And WebKit wasn't actually new; it was based on KHTML.


Try to find KHTML code in modern Webkit. I'd be surprised if it's more than 5%. By that standard, Firefox uses the same engine as Netscape Navigator did.


Original architectural decisions can constrain and push development in a certain direction. An analogy might be made to evolution: one's phylogeny constrains the space of available organisms available in a given timespan.

5% might not sound like much, but I'd want something comparative. How much code in the 3.8 kernel is shared with what Linus released in 1991? I suspect it's similarly low, but we still recognize them as the same project.


I propose that we sail away from this debate in the ship of Theseus.


The reference prompted me to curse Google for not giving me any good results to "how long does it take for 50% of the atoms in your body to be replaced."


More important than lines of code, how much foundational architecture do they share? Code is just an implementation detail, architectural changes are more feasible in a new codebase.


I think the intended meaning was a new browser engine written from scratch, and not based on another browser engine that came before.


A similar thing has happened in Gecko. Probably modern Gecko browsers share similar amounts of old code as modern WebKit browsers share of old KTHML code (that is, very little in both cases).


Right, that was my point. It doesn't really matter where it started, whether it's entirely original or not. Otherwise, IE10 should be considered a bad browser, which it isn't.


Isn't JS injection a copyright violation, since it creates a derived work? Or has that idea been shot down before?


This remains an untested field of copyright law, as far as I know. I've been waiting for literally over a decade for some test case on this matter to come up, and it never does. Perhaps by 2023.


Isn't this just a matter of

1) building a webpage where you own the copright

2) Have someone in one of the cities where this is happening browse to your page.

3) Copyright violated, and you get to be the test case!


Courts will generally refuse to take on manufactured cases. Their job is resolve real disputes.

A lower court would probably just throw the case out.

And if it didn't, the higher courts, which would set a widely binding precedent, would exercise their discretion simply not to hear the case. Yes: they get to pick and choose what appeals to hear.


It doesn't have to be manufactured, someone just has to notice it already happening.


Good luck fighting against a team of lawyers with virtually unlimited budget. If you're lucky you might get a cash settlement but they'll still be screwing everybody else with impunity.


The idea would be that websites would take action, not end users. (Otherwise, how would it be a copyright vio?) I think we can assume that if it was infringement, Google would have an interest and the pockets to go to battle.

IANAL, but I can't really see how it would be infringement, though.


Or as soon as the states close the loophole so that this program is treated the same as a lease.


More likely they should change the loophole so that lease is treated like a sale (with some reasonable pro rating), since it basically is.


A lease is indeed effectively a financing option; that's pretty basic Finance 101. That said, one of the things one also learns in Finance 101 is that there are tax differences between how leases are handled and how capital expenditures are handled and that any calculation has to be made on an after-tax basis. (Which is a long-winded way of saying that how something like this should be treated from a tax/accounting perspective isn't at all obvious (to this non-accountant). Although I'm sure Tesla has vetted this pretty carefully.


It did have one, but it ablated.


"Neesh" is taught as Correct in the US, though it's not universally used.


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