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Have you spoken to any person who escaped Cuba?

I bet you haven't, because they'll all tell you they escaped because the oppressive regime, not because of poverty.

The sanctions are there for the same reasons we have sanctions against North Korea, trading with murderous regimes is condoning their actions.

Listen to the protests and the Cuban people, you may learn something.

Hint: they're chanting "freedom", not "relieve sanctions". They're protesting their government, not ours.

But please tell me more how the Cuban people are uninformed and you understand the conflict better.


> 6 days ago account

And yes I have. Cuba's regime is shit - the embargo is also shit.

America's argument with Cuba would work better if they weren't suffocating them.


HN frontpage 15 days ago, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27653868

The propaganda hit MSN, Nature, NYTimes, and many other media outlets and those hit social media (FB, HN, Reddit, etc.)

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/cubas-covid-vaccine-riv...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01126-4

Really easy to see: https://search.brave.com/search?q=Cuba%27s+COVID+vaccine+riv...

edit: I see the top comment was flagged and deleted.

It violated no rules and was simply pointing out the propaganda that hit the media that I listed above.

Sad state of discourse on this site, regardless of who is moderating, dang or the users who abuse flagging.


It is for merchants. Chargebacks are abused and can kill your profitability in certain industries. Stripe and PayPal label these has high risks and will shut your account down if you receive too many chargebacks.

As someone who uses crypto on both ends, I think no reversal is the fairest way. Both sides lie, but the customer lies quite a bit and is usually favored in CC reversals.


We have literally millennia of evidence that merchants are not to be trusted. “Both sides lie” covers a massive power imbalance as well as just ignoring history.


Wouldn't that most likely be derivative of a peak mode (either up or down).

Park at top, open doors, wait for traffic down, return up.

Korea Lunch 1 would park at top for people leaving for lunch, 2 would park at bottom for people returning?


One article at the time said they had an informant that convinced top level criminals to use it and it spread from there.

Will try to find it, but it was awhile back.

edit:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/encrypted-messag...

> The operation came into being after the FBI took down a Canadian-based encryption service called Phantom Secure. Phantom Secure was marketing its services to criminal elements, offering secure communications through the encrypted cellphones that the company provided to syndicates. When the company was dismantled in 2018, the FBI sought to fill the void in the black market for secure criminal communications. To make that happen, the agency recruited a former distributor of Phantom Secure as an informant who, in return for reduced jail time, not only helped develop an encrypted communications system called ANOM, but helped market it to insular networks of criminal buyers.


Fracking did manage to drop our emissions phasing out coal. But politics gets in the way of natural gas all the time. Politics got in the way of nuclear as well.

Also, if you truly want to cut emissions, stop caring about "per capita" and force your politicians to start holding the biggest polluters accountable and the countries not decreasing their emissions.


Who is to blame for outsourced manufacturing then? If one country consumes a vast amount of goods from another, are they not also accountable for that other country’s emissions?


If you truly believe it's this dire, does it matter?

It's up to that country to cut emissions even if they accept that job on behalf of other countries.

But first, lets start on just not dumping plastic into oceans, building more coal plants, and generally not cutting emissions at all (China)

Then we can worry on the manufacturing like cement and steel (I believe we should make our own steel anyway)

The more stuff we make, the more control we have over the emissions during the process. Because apparently, other countries don't give a shit.

Go look at the countries that have cut emissions. https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/climate-change-co2-emissions...

That's the only metric that matters, anything else is propaganda for those who aren't.


What makes you think the US gives a shit either? Companies have spent the last forty years moving manufacturing out of the country because it lets them profit a bit more. They don’t give a shit about climate change unless they can make more money off it. I’m all for bringing manufacturing back on-shore, but what makes you think the lobbyists will stop trying to undermine environmental regulations if we do?

I consider it propaganda to blame China for all its emissions, when how much of them are to build and manufacture junk for the west? No, raw emissions numbers are not “the only metric that matters” because we live in a complex world with a complex web of trade. Sure, China can and should do a much better job cutting emissions. Though if that causes production prices to go up, the American companies will just move production somewhere else that is further behind in environmental regulations.

Nobody in power gives a shit about the climate and emissions. The words you’re hearing from them don’t match their actions, and we in the US are nowhere near a sustainable level even if you ignore our outsourced energy usage.


> What makes you think the US gives a shit either?

Because we cut our emissions by a lot while increasing energy output & manufacturing, and it's many people's #1 issue.

I don't remember hearing about climate change in the CCP's 100 year anniversary speech, just bloody head bashing rhetoric.

Other countries outsource to China as well, why haven't they been cutting their emissions, there's only 12 countries or so that have.

You can hand-wave China away ignoring the numbers, or how much we send over there, what they are creating, how they are creating it, but you aren't doing the Earth any favor.

All of that doesn't address their new coal factories or plastic dumping either. Let's get a handle on that. Then let's worry about the manufacturing emissions as we don't even have alternative solutions for concrete or steel yet. Fair?


I’m not hand waving China’s emissions away, and explicitly said they can and should do more. If and when they decide to deal with the problem, I expect they’ll make a lot more progress than we have.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree that America is trying to cut emissions. There seems to be neither political nor corporate will to do so. Furthermore Americans have zero desire for reducing their standard of living to help the planet.


> If and when they decide to deal with the problem I expect they’ll make a lot more progress than we have.

Sure. I will update my stance if or when the CCP decides to do something, especially if they shoot past everyone in reduced emissions.

I won't hold my breath though, unless I'm in Shanghai's smog.


Seems like your reason to be here is to point the finger at China while ignoring the problems in the US.

Personally, I'll focus on the US since it's a massive contributor to global warming and is the place I have the most leverage of any. Not that I have any real leverage, given the rampant corruption in American politics, but it's a better place to spend my energy.


No, I personally think the US should manufacture more at home so we can control the process and reduce as many emissions as we can. I believe we are doing an okay job, and the numbers show, but we could be doing even more if politicians tried.

I also think we should invest more in natural gas and nuclear to wean off of coal entirely. While continuing investments in renewables in areas that make sense (wind in Texas, solar in Arizona, geo thermal, hydro, etc.) In addition to continuing researching new materials to replace others that may cause more emissions.

I'd just like to see the largest emissions tackled as well since time is off the essence apparently.

Also not a huge fan of plastic dumping, and anyone who does that should be sanctioned.

I criticize US politicians every damn day, but I can call the CCP out in this thread at the same time. It's not a countries fault, it's the leaders, and the CCP is authoritarian, they could do these things if they wanted to.

As far as US leaders... Democrats need to embrace the nat. gas pipelines, fracking, nuclear, and domestic manufacturing. Republicans need to embrace renewables in areas that make sense. Republicans have warmed up to renewables, Texas runs on 100% wind some days, but we need nat. gas for peak periods. Both parties need to support nuclear and sanctioning polluters.

Don't get me started on Europe...


This is an global issue it's up to everyone to lower emissions, exporting all your factories to China has been the solution for all of those countries. We can not blame China for that.


Again, I support moving more manufacturing to the US for sure.

And we can demand our politicians to do that so we can control emissions, as well as try to hold countries accountable through sanctions. (don't buy any slave-made products, don't buy any coal-made products)

We can certainly blame China for building coal factories, dumping plastic in the ocean, and generally just not giving a fuck about human rights or environmental rights.

I don't take anyone serious who advocates green policies without holding the biggest polluters accountable who aren't changing their ways.

The "per capita" and "outsourcing" points are propaganda used to deflect responsibility. Unless you have a stat how much emissions come from that outsourcing you are waiving their responsibility via a talking point.

Also, we're not talking about making emissions zero, we're talking about LOWERING. So even if they didn't cut emissions for the stuff they make for us, cutting domestic emissions should still lower their overall emissions. China isn't getting more factories, factories are moving out, so we should see a decrease.


And everyone stopped trying to link events through any sort of rationale. Hurricane? Climate change. Wild fire? Not forest management. Climate change. 100 year freeze? It's only happened once in our lifetime, and once in the early 1900s, but climate change! Heat wave. Climate change.

Basically just replace climate change with "God is angry" because science has nothing to do with it, otherwise you'd hear attempts to link the freak weather events with climate patterns.

Pro tip. the more sporadic the weather event, the less likely it has to do with climate.


Cliff Mass, Professor of Atmospheric Science at the University of Washington and chief scientist of the Northwest Modeling Consortium mentioned in his recent blog posts that the heat wave was a perfect storm of factors like compression from sinking air coming off the West slopes of the Cascades. He also said (https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2021/06/incredible-temperatur...):

> Is global warming contributing to this heatwave? The answer is certainly yes. Would we have had a record heatwave without global warming. The answer is yes as well.

He also said in the same article:

> Let me end with the golden rule of temperature extremes: the bigger the temperature extreme the SMALLER the contribution of global warming. Think about that.

Even the Associated Press has fallen to this tendency to attribute everything solely to climate change. They wrote an article (https://apnews.com/article/climate-climate-change-science-en...) about a new study that came with a sensationalist headline, even though the actual contents of the study (https://www.worldweatherattribution.org/wp-content/uploads/N...) show this was a rare event (1 in 1000 years) with only a few degrees of contribution to temperature from climate change.


> So without global warming, a location that was 104F would have been 102F. Still a severe heat wave, just slightly less intense.

So he claims global warming is contributing to the heatwave (by increasing it by 2 degrees, not causing it). He got to report the science and keep his grant. Smart!


Terrible bias in this article. Chinese-Americans can't be on the right side of the spectrum without being conspiracy theorists?

Maybe they don't like cozying up to the CCP like Democrats have been seemingly doing.

Many reasons to not be liberal, and being crazy isn't one of them.

"Infiltrate" and "go under cover" all you want, you're the only conspiracy theorist!

Maybe if you mix in Proud Boys, QAnon, and the "ok" sign even more you'll get more clicks.

I don't see any name dropping of Antifa or anyone that's actually killed anyone (CHAZ, BLM riots), strangely...

This article pretends like the virus wasn't most likely a lab leak. Saying "blaming China for the pandemic shifts focus from criticism of the Trump administration's response and plays into the increasingly negative public opinion of China."

Which gov let it out, which gov bought up PPE beforehand, which gov said it wasn't transmissible until late Jan, which gov shut down domestic flights to/from Wuhan but left international flights open? CCP.


> Many reasons to not be liberal

Well, BBC is much more left than liberal outlet these days, and liberal ≠ leftist. Despite of some similarities and the apparent alliance, there is a number of drastic differences in their views. Take a look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlIjMJBSnRE


I know, I was speaking to the fact that they are right leaning.

The point to that sentence was to say there are reasons to not be left leaning (leftist or liberal) that don't involve conspiracies.


Yeah, that's just a common moderate-to-far left media cliche to form «a new normal» world picture where entire right part of spectrum declared fringe loonies. Because (in contrast to liberals) leftists doesn't allow the very existence of any alternate ideas.

For example, in Soviet Russia leftists even mass-executed a substantial number of left communists for being more left than Bolsheviks.


Putting to one side you don't like the article, do you disagree with the premise there is an unfortunate nexus between much chinese-american political activism and the far right?


I believe that Chinese-Americans have a reason to support the right's tough stance on China. Let's ask Eric Swalwell & Fang Fang.

I also believe most are just normal Americans that happen to also be conservative. It's a thing, doesn't have to be a big conspiracy.

I also don't view it as an "unfortunate nexus" as I don't view being on the right a bad thing.

I welcome anyone to be a conservative, including Chinese-Americans.


I do regard it as deeply unfortunate because it has fuelled oppositional politics between the US and China which is unhelpful in the medium-short term. And, because it aligns to views I disagree with like constraints on womens reproductive rights (I believe this is a fundamental human right) and views on religion which I dislike intensely. So I see a very unfortunate nexus of China-as-a-state political-hate, pentecostalism, anti-abortion views.

There are very few organized socialist chinese-americans in the press right now. So, this is pretty one-sided because I believe underneath the "race" side of things, a lot of people in the chinese community probably believe in what I call socialism here: Basic human rights, and social services. The US right wing is fighting to remove these, and remove basic human rights like abortion.

So yes. To me? this is very unfortunate. As to the conspiracy side, well, Q gotta Q. But I would worry there is a tendency to agglomerate into these cesspits of political lunacy, to leverage it for short-term gain.


You have to know that the right is a far spectrum.

As a libertarian conservative I support abortion, but not late-term abortion or post birth.

That and religion in general is mainly an evangelical right thing and is less popular within the party nowadays.


I do know that. So, if you are saying there are chinese-americans of right views, who are appalled by what happened to the GOP and are opposed to the surge of religiously motivated (in my view bad) policy, I welcome it.

I'm not seeing this reflected in things said in the non-US media (I'm in australia) and my experience here, is that incursions into specific language and culture groups to garner votes tends to be crude, and in the margins: it works best when it appeals to pretty simple messages, and they tend not to be centerist ones.


I disagree that there's a "surge of religiously motivated" as an insider within the party I see the religious social aspect is less prominent than the economic, foreign policy, and security issues.


Forums are still alive and well for most niches. Discord groups serve a specific purpose as well.

Aggregators are nice too, from all sides of the political spectrum to avoid echo chambers/censorship.

News aggregators:

- lobste.rs

- notabug.io

- patriots.win

Forums:

- ar15.com

- pbnation.com

- many many car forums


What's your definition of peaceful? No dissent of your political beliefs?

Because it doesn't seem to be about murder spikes, riots, or organized thefts.

Silencing your opposition doesn't make them go away or make your views right.


Trump was a symptom of an illness that needed to be dealt with. It's analogous to being sick and having a fever. Taking ibuprofen will go a along way to cope with the illness.


I suggest you read up on history - particularly the period between WWI and WWII.


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